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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:06 PM
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Miller ‘most humiliated’ showering with men
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http://www.sovo.com/2004/5-28/news/localnews/miller.cfm

Miller ‘most humiliated’ showering with men


Retiring U.S. Sen. Zell Miller (D-Ga.) recently continued his string of outspoken comments by comparing American soldiers’ abuse of Iraqi prisoners to his own experiences as a Marine showering with other men.

“The two times I think I have been most humiliated in my life was standing in that big room, naked as a jaybird with about 50 others when they were checking us out,” Miller told radio host Don Imus on May 17.

“Now that was humiliating. It was humiliating showering with 60 others in a public shower, that can be humiliating. But it didn’t kill us, did it? No one ever died from humiliation.”



I guess he has a tiny wee-wee.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:08 PM
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1. No one ever died from humilation, but plenty have killed
Themselves and others
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ronatchig Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:11 PM
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4. A bit of represion showin Zel?
or perhaps unrequited envy ?
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:41 PM
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32. Don't flatter yourself Zell. You butthead. Nobody is going
to check out your nekkid self.
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:08 PM
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2. I guess Zell never went to high school ...
Edited on Fri May-28-04 12:09 PM by white_rider
... PE!?
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:14 PM
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7. or Jr. High
That was an awkward time to shower with others, but I wouldn't call it humiliating.

This guy is a fool.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:02 PM
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57. We never had showers after PE in the schools

that I attended (two junior highs and two senior highs in three different states.) It was typical that a school had been built with showers in the gym but the number of showers was completely inadequate to the current enrollment.

It's also possible that Zell, attended schools where he was able to shower privately after PE. The schools I attended had unused but private showers.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 02:36 PM
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64. if you call showering with 60 others as private
it is "possible that Zell, attended schools where he was able to shower privately after PE."

Did you even read the OP? Zell describes his all-too-public post-PE showering experiences quite vividly:

“Now that was humiliating. It was humiliating showering with 60 others in a public shower, that can be humiliating. But it didn’t kill us, did it? No one ever died from humiliation.”

Iraqi prisoners may not be dying from humiliation, but some have died from asphyxiation, I guess Zell didn't run into any of that in the locker room showers.

Where were the letting-off-the-steam fratboys when you need them?
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joycep Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:10 PM
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3. I don't know about his wee wee
But he sure has a tiny brain!
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 02:00 PM
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61. a man who hates showering with other men equals
latent homosexual
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:12 PM
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5. Zell Miller - Tiny Wee Wee left him humiliated while showering w/ men
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha:bounce:

Explains why he is so drawn to the Republican Party... :)
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:12 PM
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6. Did they beat you to death too Zell?
After all, people HAVE died from being beaten to death.

I am so glad this asswipe supports Bush.
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justjones Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:15 PM
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8. Right, Zell. Showering in the Marines is the equivalent of......
having a bag placed over your head, shit smeared all on you, and having stick your face in another man's crotch to simulate oral sex, all under the threat of violence.

Zell, put the crack pipe down, k...
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:14 PM
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45. Or better yet stick it up his ass.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:16 PM
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9. Zell is just an embarrassment. His wife or a good friend needs to take
him aside and clue him in to the fact that he is making himself look foolish.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:17 PM
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10. What a ridiculous
comparison to make. It blows my mind how these people think. Why can't any of these war criminals ever admit wrong doing? In all of my years, I have never witnessed such self-righteous, pompous, and arrogance in our administration or within the American people who blindly follow.

Be afraid!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:19 PM
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11. maybe this is why Zell isn't a republican
the GOP caucus showers together every day, Zell wouldn't like it.



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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:25 PM
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14. He is a prime example of a brain lost due to Pub PsyOps
305.07 Luring Political opposition to the GOP Fold without them knowing it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:34 PM
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24. He might...
His fellow recruits may have shown him what the real world looks like.
Zell, might just 'fit in' with the republicans if 'wee brains' translate into bereft family jewels.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:19 PM
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12. Mad dog Miller has tender feelings
Edited on Fri May-28-04 12:21 PM by daleo
Who would have guessed. Miller should keep in mind that his public showering humiliations were voluntary, not imposed upon him by an invading army. He might also keep in mind that his experiences did not include:
- being attacked by dogs.
- being choked, smothered, beaten, wired to electricity (including electrical shocks).
- being raped by a broomstick or chemical light.
- having children and relatives tortured and abused in front of himself.
- being starved.
- being soaked in cold water and kept naked for days.
- being deprived of sleep.
- being hooded, and deprived of sensory input.
- being covered with feces.
- having food tossed in a toilet.
- being subjected to "stress positions".
- having to simulate sex with other men.
- being injected with drugs.
- being told he would die if he fell off a box.
- etc.

Miller must be starting to worry, if he is coming out with these pathetic justifications, though.

On edit - I assumed this was General Miller, not Zell the crazy politician. They are all cut from the same cloth, anyway.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:20 PM
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13. Ask Miller
At what point of his public shower did the other Marines shove a broom handle up his ass?
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:25 PM
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15. I hope this doesn't say something about the Marines
It certainly says something about Miller. This is what he claims as the "...most humiliated in (my) life"?????

I was in high school PE (as another poster mentioned) and had to shower nekked, nekked in a mass physical for the draft, nekked in the Army, nekked taking field showers (you got about one minute, no time for humiliation) etc., and I never felt humiliated. In the army, humiliation was not an issue item. Pissing you off, frustrating you, unfathomable orders - sure; but humiliation - nah. That wwas your choice.

Must be a pervert. Marines can't be happy with that comment.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:40 PM
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31. I never saw guys checking each other out, and I wasn't checking them out
and field showers are so fucking cold, there wouldn't have been much to check out in the first place.

:eyes:
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:26 PM
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16. Are you sure Zell? Remember the Jenny Jones show a few years back...
In a show on secrets, Jonathan Schmitz learned, in front of a studio audience, that his secret admirer was, in fact, another man. Now the show warned Schmitz that his secret admirer could be male or female. Also, as the defense pointed out, the guests knew each other, were friends, flew back from the show on the plane together, and even went shopping before the murder.

Yet, apparently, so embarrassed and humiliated at having a known-to-all male homosexual admirer, Schmitz shot and killed the man. The show never aired.

"No one ever died from humiliation" - Z Miller D-(Asshole)

I'm sure all that homo-erotic-based-softening-up-torture has left everyone involved just peachy-keen!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:26 PM
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17. why do homophobic men think men want them?
when they know even women don't want them
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:29 PM
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20. Don't you know?
All gay men want to sleep with every male they meet. They are always trying to seduce young boys, and lure them into their cars. If you ever get into a car with one of them, it's over.

Um, sorry, I was pretending to be my boss.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:27 PM
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18. Did they force him to masturbate, and how is that not rape?
Then again, rape is humiliating, but no one ever died from it, so I guess it's okay.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:29 PM
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19. oh good grief
that fat ass never took PE in highschool, lived in a dorm or worked out at a gym? Actually, to believe it, some of those dead Iraqis were actually humiliated to death with a little help from a beating or two.

Personally, I find losing my head on global television humiliating. Yeah, that's it. Nick Berg was humiliated to death. Zell Miller is so far beneath contempt . . . he is EXACTLY what's wrong with the Republican party.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:31 PM
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21. Guess he never went at the old Atlanta-Fulton stadium...
.. where the urinals were ROUND troughs and your Mr. was there dangling directly across from the Mr. opposite you.

Maybe he's a strict Stall Man?
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:31 PM
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22. What an ignorant spermless worm
He needs to be exported to other lands and learn other cultures' perspectives.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:31 PM
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23. I thought this was going to be about Judith Miller showering with men
Judith Miller, Richard Perle, and Ahmed Chalabi naked in a steam room. Think of the possibilities.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:35 PM
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25. He needs to visit
Edited on Fri May-28-04 12:38 PM by FlaGranny
a nudist resort. Nudity in itself is not humiliating. Being striped naked in front of strangers and having your photo taken against your will is, though. Being forced into unwanted sexual simulations, rape, and beatings is humiliating. The man is mighty confused.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:36 PM
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26. You know he does because he votes repuke.
.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:36 PM
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27. Senile crackpot. nt
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:36 PM
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28. I'm nominating him for the DU Top 10 Conservative Idiots.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:39 PM
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29. Heh, what a clown, must be uhhh, shy about something
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Lou_C Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:39 PM
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30. Miller is not secure with his sexuality
Edited on Fri May-28-04 12:54 PM by Lou_C
I use to know someone like that and they kept getting upset over issues that involved same sex situations like showering with other men.
He was repressed and by the time that he came out he was well into middle age and he died several years later. Seems like Miller has issues with his sexuality.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:12 PM
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33. Don't worry Zell, if they were gay, I seriously doubt...
they were interested in you.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:19 PM
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34. Noone died of humiliation - they just lived for the day they could inflict
it on others.
I remember a story where Powell brought up the possibility of this going to extremes and the high powered BUshco cabinet responded woth frat jokes/fantasies, bragging of what they'd do. Anyone thinks that the masterminds of this were just working a big revenge fantasy?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:23 PM
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35. New Nickname: "Tiny Wang Zell"
Does it stick?
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:24 PM
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36. I guess he has a tiny wee-wee. LMAO!!!
OMG that's funny. Little pinky Miller.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:32 PM
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43. now we know the "root" of zell's problem...
...can you say "vienna sausage," zell?
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 02:49 PM
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37. how come
Nobody is questioning whether Zell Miller has lost his mind? Al Gore raises his voice a few decibels and pumps his fists, all of a sudden he's nuts.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:30 PM
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42. and Dean yells above a crowd with an anti-background mic
and suddenly he's unstable and the scene has to be repeated 600x on the nightly news.
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Sentath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:59 PM
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50. 'Cause
We know he is and are embarrassed by and for him.

They know he is and are taking advantage while it lasts.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 02:55 PM
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38. Suicide...
ever hear of that Miller??? :eyes: Plenty of people commit suicide after being humiliated cause they can't live with the shame, bad enough if all they take is their own life but we are talking about people who could easily decide to do suicide bombing and takes others with them, duh! :mad:
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:02 PM
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39. i thought it was about dennis miller.
have you ever noticed how tiny his hands are?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:09 PM
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40. Most get past it in junior high.
Zell Miller= 4 decades of shame.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:13 PM
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41. Miller only did that twice?
What the hell branch of service was/is he in?

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:01 PM
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44. What's embarrassing and humilliating
is having that jackhole sharing a Senate chamber with 99 other Senators.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:42 PM
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46. Why is that humiliating?
I've never felt embarrassed or humiliated in the shower.

<wink>
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:32 PM
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47. I dunno...
if you've ever taken a simultaneous crap with 60 other men in a barracks bathroom with no walls and where the toilets are spaced less than a foot apart after the entire unit have eaten chili dogs for dinner the night before....well...you get the idea...
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:37 PM
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48. Are republicans really this fucking stupid?
Do they not understand that it is a war crime to humiliate prisoners? Or beat them to death? Or rape them? Or sick dogs on them?

These assholes are the reason we need to see all the pictures, so they can't hide behind these stupid arguments anymore.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:38 PM
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49. What an odious little man. Zell had better seek some professional help nt
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:03 PM
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51. he has the same ignorant, arrogant vibe as the rethugs do about this.
no ability whatsoever to imagine another culture, another religion, another way of life.

what a living turd. BE WHAT YOU ARE, ZELL. A THUG.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:10 PM
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52. Miller not only is a DINO, he has a DINO.
Dick In Name Only
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:01 PM
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53. Zell Miller has totally lost it. There are so many things wrong here.
How can he possibly equate showering with fellow Marines as torture? Gimmee a friggin' break!

This idiot has no clue. He must have gone to school with his buddy John Ashcroft.

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HarveyBriggs Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:21 PM
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54. Butkus, Montanta, Mantle, Gretzky ...
Can you imagine any athlete making this complaint?

Ha! How about hearing about this complaiunt "On the Waterfront!"

"I coulda been a contenda, I anin't no palooka, I just can't shower with da other guys!"

Right now, it's more than a tiny piece of manhood Zell is exposing.

I can't believe this.

HB

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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:29 PM
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55. Welcome to DU on your very first post, HarveyBriggs!
We're glad you're here! And, great post, BTW!

:toast:

:beer:
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:47 PM
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56. Retiring U.S. Senator?
Does this mean he's going away sometime soon?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:12 PM
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59. Yes, Zell is retiring, just not soon enough.

He has morphed into a moron since he was appointed to the Senate.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:02 PM
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58. And Being a Political Whore *Doesn't* Humiliate Him?
eat shit and die, Zell.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:24 PM
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60. I guess it is no surprise...
... small brain, small penis. Must suck to be him.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 02:10 PM
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62. How long was in the Marine Corps? And he only took two showers?
What a dirt-bag this dude must have been.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 02:22 PM
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63. No one would care if all we did was make them take showers.
I dont know what this man is even talking about.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 03:39 PM
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65. Miller is an ignorant arrogant man!
Edited on Sat May-29-04 03:41 PM by Tight_rope
He definitely has the Bushco tattoo stamped on his forehead. I can't believe that he would fix his lips and allow his diseased tongue to say such a thing.

Someone pass me the branding iron marked "Bushco".

The only good thing about this article is that he's retiring.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 03:42 PM
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66. Zell, Zell, Zell...those men didn't want to look at your ding-dong.
More than likely they just wanted a shower because they stank. Wow, Zell really is homophobic.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 04:06 PM
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67. Why is it that fat, ugly (on both the inside and outside) straight men
think that ANYONE, let alone a gay man, would WANT to look at them?

They are probably the safest persons on the planet in that regard!

I would be humiliated having to be in the same room with him, let alone starkers and showering next to that asshole!
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