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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 05:10 AM
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Clinton called in to rescue Kerry
By Julian Coman

Washington: Top advisers to the Democratic presidential candidate, John Kerry, have asked Bill Clinton to play a starring role in the final months of the Massachusetts senator's campaign.

Four years ago, in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the former vice-president Al Gore distanced himself from Clinton, during his race against George W Bush.

But after heated internal discussions, the Kerry camp has decided that Clinton's personal charisma is needed to bolster the appeal of Kerry, who has been accused of running a lacklustre campaign and failing to take advantage of President George W. Bush's problems in Iraq...
http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/World2.asp?ArticleID=122370
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 05:28 AM
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1. This article has no credibility...
Edited on Sun May-30-04 05:31 AM by rfranklin
It is from the Telegraph, which is a Rupert Murdoch publication and is about as dependable as Fox News. From the headline down (Kerry needs to be "Rescued") it is designed to make Kerry look like he's floundering ("lackluster campaign") when it is actually Bush who is running an incompetent and failing campaign.

Bringing Clinton into the picture is a sure way to work the Bush followers into a lather. They've been trying to do it for the past year with Hillary and it hasn't worked, now they have to dig deep and use Bill and Monica because they are in deep, deep trouble.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:35 AM
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19. It's NOT a Rupert Murdoch publication...
it's a Hollinger Group publication. Owned by Lord Black. Or was (it's for sale, and Black is soon to face trial for embezzlement and fraud).

But it's not too much better than a Murdoch publication (Hollinger's quite right wing, as well...they also own the Jerusalem Post, which is ALSO up for sale).

Either way, your analysis seems somewhat flawed, as there aren't really that many "Bush supporters" in the UK. Also, one would think that any involvement in the Kerry campaign by Clinton would only scare the Republicans, given a) the fact that his personal popularity is even greater than the animosity directed at him by right wingers, and b) the fact that next to the failures of Bush he looks like Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
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LumitraC Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 05:29 AM
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2. kerry sure does need it
hes lacking in the charisma department, clintons rico suave compared to kerry.. should give kerry an edge over president "abu..guh..rape"
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:40 AM
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16. what in heck are you talking about? CLEARLY you've never seen the man
speak, nor have you paid any attention to his speeches, NOR have you visited his website or seen for yourself his fantastic legislative record.

I suggest you visit http://www.johnkerry.com and see for yourself that which you issue nonsensical rhetoric about.

The man is amazing, and definitively a worthy leader for this this country. You should be making up your own mind instead of repeating tawk radio fodder.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:12 AM
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18. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I wish I could get as excited as you about Kerry. I just can't. I don't neccessarily agree with the original poster. I think Kerry is playing it pretty smart by laying low and not picking a VP yet. It keeps the people talking about him but it doesn't give the media any ammunition to Gore him.

Bring the Big Dog in an let him be the muck-racker and the flame-thrower. Good idea.

However, soon or later Kerry is going to have to face the media. Hopefully when that time comes he will have a few choice words for how they treat him.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:03 PM
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20. LOL - he's very far from "amazing"
Good grief, what are you banging on about? No one on the left considers it "amazing" that Kerry proposes to cut corporate taxes. Quit to the contrary, it's scandalous when many major corporations have skipped paying taxes altogether. Nor is it "amazing" that he wants to pour 40,000 more American troops down the crapper of Iraq; no, that's frankly foolish at best, and even threatens to outdo Bush's blunder. And it is hardly an "amazing" legislative accomplishment that he has voted for nearly all of Bush's worst policies (tax cuts, war, Patriot Act).

Now, these positions may be fine for you as an uncritical follower, but they offend us as progressives. We wish to enlighten the candidate, not merely so that he's worthy of our support but for the future of a nation desperate for reform of our corporate tax scofflaws, mired in a lost war, and reeling from the tragedies of Bush's domestic policies. Bush-lite will not be enough to undo "Murrica" and restore America.

Yes, contrary to your claims, we've seen the man, heard him on the tube, read the speeches, and mourned the failure of the party to get behind drastically needed reform. Between him and Bush, sure: vote for Kerry. But you're really pushing it with your idolatry. You're enabling the candidate to lean to the right. That, my friend, is what's amazing.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 04:07 PM
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23. I used www.johnkerry.com to learn more about him. Then I...
...pulled his voting record on issues that matter to me. I was not impressed.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 04:21 PM
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24. a legislative record is not charisma n/t
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 04:32 PM
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25. I've seen him speak in person
he was human sominex. I could feel the charisma being sucked out of the room!

I'll send him money, I'll work for his campaign, I'll vote for him-despite the fact that I think he's a lousy candidate without a bold vision for America (something we really need from our candidate NOW)!
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R Hickey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 05:30 AM
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3. Put Al Gore on the ticket - The majority voted for him already.
Edited on Sun May-30-04 05:34 AM by R Hickey
Clinton should campaign. But Al Gore is the answer to Kerry's quiet campaigning. Last week Al Gore gave the best speech I have ever seen anyone give.

I voted for John Edwards in the Wisconsin primary this year, but Al Gore is better. Way better. He won the election in 2000 by a half a million votes.

Most Democrats would jump at the chance to vote for Gore again, even if he's only running for VP. We've never had a three-term VP, and I think the novelity would help bring victory.

I've always liked Kerry, and if he has a freak plane crash, then Al Gore will do nicely, since he's already been elected president once, which is more than Bush ever did.
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LumitraC Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 05:34 AM
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4. ya, gores a badass.
ya, not to sidetrack but gores speach effin rocked ass.

i wasnt old enough to vote in the last election, i wouldve, this most recent speech of his put my respect for him through the roof, the mans a genius.. id like him, or edwards on the ticket, personally.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:07 PM
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27. Gore was great, but where was all that passion in 2000?
Yeah Baby! Bring on the big dog! I love Clinton, he is #1 in charm!
:kick:
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:02 AM
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5. I see not much wrong with Kerry. Let Bush shoot him self in the foot
Kerry in the background is fine with me and it is early.
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ColdWarZoomie Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:32 AM
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14. I Agree - Remain in the Background For Awhile
Edited on Sun May-30-04 08:34 AM by ColdWarZoomie
I agree that Kerry should stay in the background for the most part this early in the game. Only us die hards are paying close attention.

Let the bad news continue growing with the Pres in the spotlight. Nationally, keep Kerry's name out there just enough to break through the advertising clutter. In the battleground states, just enough work to keep BushCo's attack machine from framing the argument - which is tough to do.

But I think the objective is to allow BushCo to wallow in the spotlight of his failures. If Kerry starts attacking too hard, then it gives BushCo a chance to change the subject from catastrophic failures to "Kerry playing politics."

Very tough balancing act they're having to play.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:31 PM
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21. while playing with his Saddam souvenir?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:11 AM
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6. Bull shit propagada
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:17 AM
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7. I agree 0007
John Kerry doesn't need to be rescued. He is smart and will do very well. Clinton should be out there promoting Kerry he is a Democrat. All Democrats should be promoting Kerry and not bad mouthing him.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:41 AM
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17. The truth is that Clinton has been working on kerry's campaign since
day one.

Folks are just now catching on, and TRYING to make it seem as if kerry is in need of help.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:19 AM
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8. Bush has been accused of being incompetent
But they don't say that in this article.

Totally BS propaganda. It was just a matter of time before Clinton got involved. All Democrats will come together to defeat Boy George.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:23 AM
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9. I think there have been enough signs that the nominee this year would
embrace Clinton in a way Gore did not.

It's not a desperation move. It's just good strategy.

And I think that the seeting at the WWII memorial dedication suggests that W wouldn't mind having a little Clinton magic rub off on him too.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:30 AM
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11. right, kerry is smart to call clinton for help
it's already known he talks to clinton at least once every week and usually more than that. but the right wing hears something like that and they report things like "desperation". notice how they blow off bush doing horrible in the article.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:36 AM
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15. Kerry stated right out that he would welcome any assistance
Clinton might offer. He said he had nothing but the highest respect for Bill Clinton and would be very grateful if Clinton would assist his campaign in any way. Kerry was asked directly that question. Would he also distance himself from Clinton as Gore had done in 2000?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:32 AM
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10. rescue kerry from WINNING? who's in the LEAD, moran?
Edited on Sun May-30-04 06:34 AM by unblock
sounds more like "clinton-BASHING to rescue BUSH campaign, KERRY-bashing ineffective"
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:39 AM
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12. LINK broken
Anyone got another? Didn't work for me. See also:

Clinton praises Kerry's campaign:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--clinton-kerry0527may27,0,7417298.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:10 PM
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28. Wow! Had to read your post twice...
to get the implications! Wow! :thumbsup:
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:44 AM
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13. "The thing that people overlook about Bill Clinton"
"is that he's awful damn good at getting people to vote for him."

My friend Charley said this back in early 92 when Clinton was in so much "trouble" so often. It is quite true, you know. Clinton persuaded cantankerous, independent-minded Arkies to elect him Governor six times. Clinton persuaded Americans to elect him President twice--and legally--in spite of everything that the Pugs could throw at him.

Clinton would be the best sort of backup that Kerry could have. He could stir up enough extra votes to keep this election from being stolen.

:toast:
dbt
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:12 PM
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29. I'll drink to that!
:toast:
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 03:04 PM
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22. I was waiting for the BIG DOG
to finish his book and show up to the party.

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monkeymind Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 04:37 PM
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26. what a great way to motivate neo cons
the last thing we need is a Clinton screwing up Kerry's lead.
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