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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:28 AM
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Iran Says It's Building Stealth Missile
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran is producing its first stealth missile, a rocket that can evade electronic detection, the Iranian Defense Ministry said Tuesday while withholding its range.



The missile, named Kowsar after a river in Muslim descriptions of paradise, will be capable of hitting ships and aircraft, Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammad Reza Imani told The Associated Press.


He refused to give the missile's range or provide other details. Features of the Kowsar, such as its guidance and positioning systems, are currently on show at an exhibition in Tehran that is open only to select government officials.


Iranian state television announced the Kowsar Tuesday while screening pictures of a missile flying through the air.


Iran manufactures various missiles, chief among them the Shahab-3 whose range of 810-miles makes it capable of reaching Israel.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=4&u=/ap/20040601/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_missile
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:32 AM
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1. Not good news for Israel
I'm afraid they will be the ones to pay for our transgressions as well as theirs.
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Spentastic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:34 AM
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2. Unlikely
Israel has unstealth nukes.

I guess in weapons top trumps terms they win.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:13 AM
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8. This is why Iran need nukes and fast
Time to even up this playing field.
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shadu Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:24 AM
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9. Do you think Sharon laughs every time a US soldier dies?
Americans killing Iraqi women and children, Americans
and Israelis torturing... Iraqi women and children, Americans
getting killed and sent home in boxes.
Do you think Sharon, Bush and Cheney
have conference calls and all laugh together.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:02 PM
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14. wars are fought
between bitter old men, by their children. If Israel and Iran want to escalate to nuclear confrontation, then let them. Unfortunately we've already pretty much blown our wad looking for WMD in the wrong place when we have known for sure that Israel and North Korea both already have nukes. Why didn't we invade Pakistan? They have some atrocious human rights abuses AND nukes.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:45 AM
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3. Stealth Missile?
Do they have the technology to do this?

Is this some kind of a bluff?

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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:57 AM
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5. I don't think so

Stealth aircraft don't go super-fast. The faster you go, the more noise and disruption you make.

I don't know what to make of this politically. But I don't think that Iran will be very successfull with this.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:42 AM
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10. I think it's a misuse of the word.
More likely it is an under-the-radar cruise or some such thing.
But you can't tell much from the story.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:50 AM
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4. WMD race to the bottom thanks to the neocons.
The neocons believed their "might makes right" stance would intimidate the world and they completely ignored the common sense human reaction to defend against such threats. Moreover, the neocons have openly defied any disarmament treaties, setting the tone and the trend to race towards re-arming.

I seriously loathe those assholes.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:09 AM
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6. Another Stealth Scam
'Stealth' is making a aircraft (or missile) using composite materials (vice metal) and in shapes that reduce the radar return... it does not eliminate it, and is greatly overratted.

And as another poster said, a stealth missile with a conventional warhead is no match for a non stealth missile with a nuclear warhead.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:12 AM
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7. Quick! Redesign Star Wars!
In first impression, they're probably not talking about ballistic missiles. Stealth technology would apply mostly to cruise/aeronautical missiles. It's not an "all-or-nothing" proposition, though. The ability to defend against missiles is clearly dependent on detection. The major advantage of aeronautical missiles is their low altitude and the resulting difficulty of radar detection. If that detection is further impeded, the challenges are made greater. If stealth technology is successfully applied to ballistic missiles, kiss Star Wars good-bye.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:59 AM
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11. Another Russian knock-off, I'll bet. nt
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 12:10 PM
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12. yep- probably a russian design cruise missile-
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 12:10 PM by Beaker
the kind of thing that SDI "Star Wars" is incapable of defending against, and works great for delivering a "nuke-u-lar" payload...especially when launched from a submarine...or even a specially fitted private 'yacht'...
I'm just glad i live well inland, deep in the middle of fly-over country.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 12:13 PM
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13. If its as stelthy as their intelligence
I'd be getting very worried indeed...
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:35 PM
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15. how stealth can it be?
when even Yahoo can get the technical specs of it before it is built..
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:42 PM
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16. Something's amiss, to me. I'm no missile expert, but
if a missile needs to be fast enough to catch up to aircraft, would it have a big enough payload to damage a ship enough to sink it? I know that speed = energy, but still...
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:07 PM
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17. It's highly unlikely
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 04:07 PM by Massacure
Surface to Air and Air to Air missiles usually have just enough explosive and more than enough metal to cause a lot of flak to fly around. Flak is heavy enough to take out airplanes and also covers a large area. Flak cannot go through inches of steel though. If you wanted to take out a heavy ship, you would need something that focuses it's energy into a lot smaller of an area.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:24 PM
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20. Sink, no. Damage, yes...
American built 'Standard' SM1 anti-aircraft missiles have a secondary anti-ship capability, as do the improved SM2 and SM3 versions. You aren't likely to sink anything big enough to call a ship, but since warships aren't armored much anymore, it will blow a hole into it and severly reduce the vessel's combat capability.

(Note: The missile is actually named 'Standard'. I don't know who named it. SM1 stands for 'Standard Missile type One'.)
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:02 AM
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21. Some aircraft have anti-missile radar
to protect them from missiles. I imagine that ships have the same
capabilities too.

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:32 PM
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18. The only question is . . .
whether they got it from Chalabi or Ollie North.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:37 PM
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19. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,....
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 04:38 PM by Just Me
,...trickle-down arms!

Yup. We are the most profitable dealer in arms.

We sell arms to India who sells to Pakistan who sells to Sudan and Afganistan.

We sell arms to China who sells to North Korea who sells to Libya et al.

We ARE our own enemies and create adversity for profit.

Who gains financial liberty?

DUH!!!!

The war-mongers.

They thrive upon death and destruction.

They should die by that which they thrive!!!
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