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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:38 PM
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Chavez says Bush is his real adversary in August 15 recall referendum
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/89739/1/.html

CARACAS : Long-standing tension between Caracas and Washington flared anew when President Hugo Chavez, fighting for his job in a recall vote, said US President George W. Bush -- not the Venezuelan opposition -- was his true political foe.

Chavez faces a recall election August 15 that could unseat him.

"Hugo Chavez and George W. Bush will face off in the August 15 referendum," Chavez told supporters. "That is the real confrontation."

He said Venezuela's political battle would play out between the US president, "who wants to take over this country, and myself, who is prepared to do whatever is necessary to defend the country.

"The fight is not between Chavez and" the opposition," he said. "It's between Chavez and Bush. That's the choice."

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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:50 PM
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1. truer words wre never spoken
meanwhile

buy

citgo
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:47 PM
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19. I hope Chavez survives. I don't have a Citgo around. Who else?
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CharlesGroce Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:53 PM
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2. well there is a lot of indirect money flowing into the opposition...
from several groups based in America who receive US federal government funding. See http://www.democracynow.org for some specific details on the matter. Note that Venezuela is the 5th largest supplier of oil, that's what is refined to run your Suburban by the way, and so the corporatismic government which runs this government has a vested interest.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:07 PM
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4. This is so ugly.
Edited on Sat Jun-12-04 11:08 PM by cliss
The last vestige I had about this country being a "democracy" is completely gone. I could not believe when Randi Rhodes (Air America Radio) described how American forces were moving in to assassinate Hugo Chavez. They were lumbering in, ready to finish him off. .....something in the story about him being saved by a cell phone (?)...don't know... had to drive through a tunnel just then.

It's just unbelieveable that we're doing these things around the world. No country is safe from us.

PS I drive a Ford Escort Wagon. It gets good gas mileage and I park the damn thing over the weekends. I try to do my share.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 02:14 AM
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8. I remember discussing this a couple months ago..
I hope Chavez can hold his ground. He threatened to stop the oil flow to US...He also threatened to encourage help from other central and south Am countries to fight with him against Bush. Don't know what he can do...but I hope he staves off our attempts to off him. geez
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:05 PM
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3. So we're on Chavez's "Axis of Evil" list? Can't say that I blame him...
Edited on Sat Jun-12-04 11:06 PM by Mary Pat
...considering how this administration has fucked with his country. Oh, to be oilless and obscure.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:40 PM
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5. They're charging a recipient of NED funding with treason. Good.
I heard that on the radio the other day.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 12:48 PM
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18. They who -- VZ? Or here in the US?
That NED needs to be disbanded and outlawed, that's for sure.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:42 PM
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6. The Bushistas seem to be meddling in elections everywhere.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 02:02 AM
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7. The pResident needs to learn to mind his own business
or grow up and negotiate responsibly with other countries like a man, rather than sending in covert ops, arms, and funding like a total lying thief.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 03:59 AM
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9. One can only hope that by August, Bush will have enough
troubles of his own to want to meddle further with Venezuela.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:48 AM
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10. Chavez seems like an extraordinarily brave man
And his assessment of the situation seems to be quite reasonable. No doubt there is a local moneyed elite against him, but they likely have substantial U.S. backing.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 10:02 AM
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11. A smart campaign tactic, that's for sure.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:08 AM
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15. Yep, if we didn't exist, Hugo might be tempted to invent us. nt
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 12:40 PM
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17. If we didn't exist, Hugo wouldn't need a campaign strategy to fight off a
recall election.

And there'd be a wealthy Venezuelan middle class.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:02 PM
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20. That is true too.
But since there is going to be a recall, it helps to
circle the wagons and motivate one's base, eh?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:03 PM
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21. It helps to have an electorate armed with the truth.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:12 PM
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22. Democracy does not work well otherwise.
Witness the USA. I am not too concerned about the
recall, it deserves watching, but I expect that Hugo
will kick ass, and I expect the attempts at violence
and provocations one may expect as part of that process
will fail as they have before.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 10:14 AM
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12. Here's info about NED funding/Sumate's Machado

VHeadline.com commentarist Oscar Heck writes: The president of Sumate, Maria Corina Machado is all worried now. She should be. However she seems to also be “insulted” by the fact that she has been summoned to testify in court.

Sumate is the USA-financed Venezuelan anti-Chavez organization which is coordinating the latest collection of signatures to ask for a referendum against Hugo Chavez Frias, Venezuela’s democratically-elected President.

Sumate also organized the “Firmazo” in February 2003 ... a a previous campaign aimed at collecting signatures asking for a referendum against the Presidency of Chavez ... a signature collection campaign which the Venezuelan courts refused to accept as valid. The National Elections Council (CNE), which would normally have made the decision about Sumate’s signature collection process at the time was inoperable because they were in the process of re-organizing their board of directors. Sumate declared that they had collected 4.4 million signatures during El Firmazo.

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=21264
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 10:16 AM
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13. Grenades, C4 plastic explosives, and 10,000 rifle bullets found at ...
 at Caracas hotel.

Radio Nacional de Venezuela reports: Government agents seized more than 10,000 7.62 mm FAL rifle bullets, six antipersonnel 81 mm mortar grenades, two packages of C4 plastic explosives, 18 meters of detonator wire, pistols, and a tear gas grenade in Friday raids at Colonial Hotel on the Panamerican Highway (near Los Teques) and Washington Plaza in El Paraiso.

This information was released by military attorney Colonel Eladio Aponte Aponte at a press conference Friday. This raid is related to case of the Colombian paramilitaries captured May 9 near Caracas.

Three Army officers were arrested during the raid, according to Aponte. The weapons and ammunition were seized from two subordinate Army officers and one career subofficial.

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=21579
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:41 AM
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24. Interesting to learn they also were transporting plastic bombs
as that was a widely used weapon in Miami after Cuban "exiles" arrived in the early '60's.

It all appears to connect to the Colombian paramilitaries found at the ranch near Caracas owned by Roberto Alonso, a Cuban exile in Venezuela.

Here's a beginning of an article at the Miami Herald within a couple of years after the first wave arrived in Florida:
Miami Herald July 14, 1967

Luck Keeps Target Alive

By: JIM SAVAGE
Herald Staff Writer

Greater Miami has been rocked by more than a dozen bombings in six months, including two this week, and lawmen fear it's just a matter of time before someone gets killed in the exploding wave of terrorism.
Some of the most sophisticated – and deadly – explosives known to ordnance experts are in the hands of the bombers, lawmen admit.

Dynamite, nitroglycerin, powerful plastic explosives, white phosphorus hand grenades and other explosive devices have blasted homes, stores, and autos in the unprecedented series of bombings.

Several of the blasts have been linked to a violent underworld war for control of illegal gambling operations.
There has been an unrelated series of bombings in the Miami Cuban community. And officials can't offer any motive for some of the bombings not linked to the underworld war or Cuban group.
(snip)
http://cuban-exile.com/doc_126-150/doc0137.htm

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Since the article was written they definitely had bombing murders in Miami, and by "exile" terrorists all over the place, including the bombing murder of the Chilean diplomat, Orlando Letellier and his American assistant, Ronnie Moffit on the streets of Washington, D.C., and injuring her husband who was with them.

Venezuela watchers have had the chance to see by now the photos of Venezuelan "opposition" members training in South Florida with F-4 Commandos, a Cuban "exile" terrorist organization.

We also know that a lot of Cuban "exile" terrorists have had years of experience with our own CIA, on our dime. Whatta way to spend the taxpayers' legally required taxes.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 10:19 AM
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14. Firearms, ammunition, and terrorism manuals found...raid on Ven. TV statn.
Firearms, ammunition, and terrorism manuals found in DISIP Intelligence Bureau raid on Venezuela TV station

Radio Nacional de Venezuela reports: Firearms, ammunition, and terrorism manuals were found in a raid conducted by the Intelligence and Prevention Services Bureau (DISIP) at Guadalupana villa, one of Venezuela TV station Venevision’s headquarters located on Avenida Bello de La Florida (Caracas), Friday night. Among the items found were: two rifles, one shotgun, 22 revolvers, and 2 pistols; as well as six boxes of 45 mm cartridges, 6 boxes of 38 caliber cartridges, several 5.56x7.72 caliber rifle cartridges; several self-defense and sabotage manuals written by Bandera Roja; and manuals titled “10 days of attack.” According to Venpres, the opposition group "Todos por Venezuela" also operates out of this villa.

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=21578




Gustavo Cisneros (above)
may shed just a tear?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 12:21 PM
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16. He's not the only one with that problem.
Chavez and 5 billion others.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 01:45 AM
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23. kick
:kick:
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