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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:20 PM
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Nazi commander 'was CIA agent'
Berlin - An 86-year-old ex-commander of a Nazi German army unit charged with murdering 164 people at the end of World War II worked as a double agent for the United States, Focus magazine says in its new edition.

Ladislav Niznansky, who is in custody in Munich, southern Germany, worked as a double agent for the Central Intelligence Agency while he was a member of the Czech secret service just after the worker, it said quoting CIA documents.

Niznansky is accused over the massacre of 146 people in two villages in modern-day Slovakia and later of ordering the execution of 18 Jews. He was arrested in January after a probe by Czech and Slovak officials.

In its edition on sale on Monday, Focus said he collaborated with the CIA just after he recruited by the Czech secret service in 1947 to keep tabs on the communist opposition in Austria.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1541999,00.html
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:22 PM
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1. When was the CIA started?
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:23 PM
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2. After WWII. The main predesccessor to the CIA in WWII was the
OSS, the office of special services. (I think)
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Leprechan29 Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:31 PM
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6. It was the OSS
And i think you have what it stands for correct too
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:24 PM
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3. The National Security Act of 1947 created the CIA and other agencies.
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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hightime Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:24 PM
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4. 1947
Under the provisions of the National Security Act of 1947 (which became effective on 18 September 1947) the National Security Council and the Central Intelligence Agency were established.

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/ciahist.htm
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 02:50 PM
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9. After Roswell - 1947
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 03:58 PM
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13. hmmm.
another coincidence

July 26, 1947 CIA founded.

Roswell incident July 7th 1947.

:tinfoilhat:
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 02:12 PM
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7. CIA started in 1947.
The OSS originally had similiar functions.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:24 PM
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5. James Bamford's book Body Of Secrets reveals that to be the case
many times over, with info classified as "top secret" that could very well implicate many in the CIA...especially code breakers...one wonders if the full truth will ever come out in this regard
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 02:47 PM
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8. I've read that the CIA hired plenty of Nazis after the war
because they knew so much about the communists.

They were brought over here, given new lives, etc.

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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 03:00 PM
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10. Operation Paperclip and more

Fascists in our government used every means possible to bring in their Nazi friends after WWII, just as they had used every means possible to keep out Jewish refugees during WWII.

In England, as here, Nazi scientists were given burnished resumes to rehabilitate them or make them seem essential. One example is Otto Hahn, who had participated in war crimes in WWI and worked for the Nazis in WWII. He was credited with the discovery of nuclear fission, for which he received the Nobel Prize. According to Albert Einstein, who would have known, nuclear fission was discovered by Dr. Prof. Lise Meitner, who, due to Jewish ancestry, had to flee Germany. Hahn, in his autobiography, wrote that he had never studied math because when he was in school, before atomic theory was accepted, it wasn't required for a chemist. Even in those days, however, you needed math in order to study physics, so we can infer that he didn't take those classes either. Meitner, who teamed up with Hahn because females weren't permitted in laboratories, had doctorates in both math and physics, and was one of the mere dozen or so people who studied with Einstein and understood his theories back then.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:30 PM
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17. Those American fascists were named
Allen and John Foster Dulles. Allen especially was involved, very intimately since he headed the first CIA.

Here are a few links for ya:

Ratlines: The CIA and the Nazis (Tarpley)
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

CIA's Worst Kept Secret
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/051601a.html

Project Paperclip and Camp Evans (in N.J.)
http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

Opn Paperclip (Namebase)
http://www.namebase.org/main3/Operation-Paperclip.html


Project Paperclip: Nazi Scientists Who Performed Human Experimentation in the U. S. http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.htm

Project Paperclip and Literal Nazi Connections
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/paperclip.html
Resources on Human Experimentation by Nazi Doctorszi Experimentation
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html
and Resources on Nonconsensual Human Experimentation
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

Operation Paperclip Revisited: Moral Schmoral By RICHARD THIEME, August 22, 2003
http://www.counterpunch.org/thieme08222003.html

MKULTRA
Mindfield (Globe Intel) http://www.gordonthomas.ie/mindfield.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 03:46 PM
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11. When George H. W. Bush was Director of the CIA
Edited on Sun Jun-13-04 04:02 PM by seemslikeadream
secrecy contracts throughout government increased, he was the most secretive Director of all.

This is a major impediment to law enforcement.

The criminal element of BFEE must be prosecuted.

They must prosecute military intelligence, mercenaries and the PMC's involved in the Iraqi prison torture

Soldiers are getting killed or wounded as a direct result of the behavior of national security criminals.

There's been an intelligence failure since 1947 National Security Act when real Nazis that had been recruited and given identities and jobs as Americans working national security were brought into the US intelligence community.

These Nazis are in the RW of the Republican Party.
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

And that's the secret they want covered up the most.

The KKK and billionaires joined with the Nazis and the Mafia through their secret government, started by the Dulles Brothers and Clark Clifford.

The basic science and causation for this has long been known. The German
IG Farben company was broken up after world war II and became some of the
biggest chemical, pharmaceutical, and petroleum companies in the world. Today, 60
percent of drugs made use G-protein binding site effects on cells. The
extensive use of fluoride based fluxes for the aluminum used in airplanes made this
process one of strategic metals importance. Later, fluorine became of even
more significance for the production of bomb uranium for the atomic bomb. The
issues of secrecy and national security extended a cloak over the problems
with rising levels of fluoride in the environments of the US and the world.

It was the IG Farben company that linked highly to Hitler's war machine and
it also linked to US interests tied to the Bush family and their money. So,
the cover up of the fluorides health effects connect right to the liabilities
of two presidents of the US, and also to GOP interests in the AMA and
pharmaceutical domains. In ever sense of the world, money and power corrupt
absolutely.

After daddy Bush left the CIA he went to work for a pharmaceutical company
named Eli Lilly, and this is the company that founded a proliferation of
fluoride drugs, like Prozac, to attempt to profit from the low level effects of
fluoride-metal complexes in the environment by modifying the G-protein effects
linked to fluorine. Eli Lilly also had lots of CIA connections and made the
drug LSD for CIA linked mind control projects. Again, this is all G-protein
research. This is how fluorides connect to "mind control" and "MK Ultra" issues.
Sincerely,
Jim Phelps, DOE / DOD Whistleblower

more
http://www.nwbotanicals.org/mediawatch/airpharma.htm



EVERY DEATH CREATES NEW ENEMIES
MORE TERRORISTS
MORE DANGER
MORE DEATH
AND REMEMBER...

HE IS JUST GETTING STARTED...

BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE
IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE

http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html


Wumpscut
Totmacher

sie ahnten nichts von mir
von meiner wilden gier
doch als du kamst zu mir
da wurde ich ein tier
kein gedanke an danach
als ich dir die knochen brach

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

tot

fuer mein naechstes leben
schoepfe ich neue kraft
ich bin dem toeten ergeben
in der einzelhaft

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot
tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ein dahinsichen
von gottes hand
ich kann dich riechen
und das denken verschwand

tot tot tot tot tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot tot tot tot tot

ich mache dich tot ich mache dich tot
ich mache dich tot ich mache dich tot

sag mir was du willst
dass du meine sehnsucht stillst
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
von blut alles rot auf gottes altar

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot glaub mir es ist wahr
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot auf gottes altar


they suspected nothing of me
of my wild greed
yet as you became me
I became an animal
no thought after that
as I broke your bones

dead dead dead I make you dead
dead dead dead of blood of all red

dead
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:17 PM
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16. I don't understand this....
"After daddy Bush left the CIA he went to work for a pharmaceutical company
named Eli Lilly, and this is the company that founded a proliferation of
fluoride drugs, like Prozac, to attempt to profit from the low level effects of
fluoride-metal complexes in the environment by modifying the G-protein effects
linked to fluorine."

I sounds very sinister, but I can't make heads or tails of it.
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 07:07 PM
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18. "fluoride"
we have been warned,...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 03:55 PM
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12. Is this really any different than hiring their rocket-scientists?
Edited on Sun Jun-13-04 04:12 PM by Dr Fate
n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:04 PM
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14. Now that's food for thought!
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:09 PM
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15. A great circle of evil.
Our embrace of WWII Nazis and their methods of state terrorism is finally (I hope) coming full circle. Supposedly, the techniques used at Abu Ghraib were developed in the 1950's and refined during the Vietnam war years.
We need to keep hammering away at these monsters until their patriotic masks are completely removed for all the world to see. Maybe then some kind of atonement can take place and we can move forward in a positive direction.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 02:40 PM
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21. Interesting ... so what we are seeing is an attempt at purging
the crap from our very essence or souls here in America which began with hiding/secrecy of taking in Nazi criminals. LOTS to think about with your view..LOTS!

Interesting take indeed! Thanks!
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 01:13 PM
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19. We hired all kinds of Nazis at every level
We wouldn't have had a space program without them.

I have mixed feelings on these kinds of stories.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 01:28 PM
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20. I am going to celebrate the 57th year of the US government............
Keeping stuff like this underwraps,them spooks are so underated.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_assassination.html
http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/397/12872_.html
Unanswered Questions about a Command Sgt. Maj. James Stacy"s Sudden Death
05/21/2004 14:34

On Jan. 2, 2004, Command Sgt. Maj. James Stacy "Rock" Adams, the senior enlisted leader of the scandal-scarred 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion, was found dead in his apartment in Wiesbaden, Germany.
He was only 43 years of age, and he had been the battalion CSM since September 2003.

Friends of mine, who saw CSM Adams only two weeks before his death, described him at the time as happy, well, full of life, and glad to moving into a new apartment.

The 302nd is one of the intelligence battalions under the command of the 205th MI Brigade, commanded by Col. Thomas M. Pappas. Pappas and his brigade now find themselves at ground zero, embroiled in the Abu Ghraib prison investigation.

Those who knew Adams recognized him as a quintessential senior non-commissioned officer and military leader. He did not get the nickname, "Rock", without earning it. He was a specimen of excellent physical conditioning in which he took great pride and instilled in all soldiers under him.
(snip)
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