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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:06 PM
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Bush repeats Iraq terror assertion despite 9-11 panel report
MacDill Air Force Base, Florida-AP -- President Bush is repeating his assertion that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had ties to terrorists -- even though the Nine-Eleven panel is casting doubt.
In a speech to troops at MacDill Air Force base, the president said Iraq "sheltered terrorist groups." He also noted it offered cash to families of suicide bombers who attacked Israel.

In a new report, the commission investigating the September eleventh attacks says it found "no credible evidence" linking Iraq and the al-Qaida terror network in attacks against America. It says Osama bin Laden met a top Iraqi official in 1994, but the contact apparently was never followed up.

On Monday, Vice President Cheney insisted Saddam had "long-established ties" to al-Qaida. But in a speech to a conservative think tank, he cited no specifics. Critics called it another example of the administration inflating the case against the ousted dictator.

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http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=1946836
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:09 PM
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1. What a fucking liar
And not only that, but not smart enough to realize that that is SO discredited that the best they can do is shut up about it and pray people forget. It actually gives me hope when I see how blindly stupid and disconnected they can be.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:06 PM
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8. Saddam does have longstanding relations with terrorists: Rumsfeld,
Reagan, Daddy Bush, Baby Bush, etc
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:39 PM
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17. Why shouldn't GWB continue a story that his base still swallows and shills
for in preposterous numbers?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:47 PM
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32. Can we access the report online?
CNN says they have it, but my Mac doesn't do CNN at all for some reason, I get the logo and no text. I guess, like John Stewart's Tivo, it is refusing on moral grounds.

I'll throw up if Bush comes out with some ad like "I knew in my heart invading Iraq was the right thing to do, but in my head I guess it was wrong." Puke.

Bush is like the Tin Man, the Scarecrow, and the Cowardly Lion all rolled into one, lacking a heart, a brain, and a set of cojones. He's a living, breathing mummy.

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azmesa207 Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:11 PM
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2. Bush Repeats Iraq Terror Assertion
Why don't the Democrats call him on these lies and where is the so called new media.They should be screaming to high heaven about this crap
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:12 PM
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3. Bush confirms he continues to be out of touch with reality!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:16 PM
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4. Shrub definitely has brain damage from all of the cocaine and booze...
...he has used. He just has no touch with reality. Can he please be committed now, straight jacket and padded cell, plus lots or Thorazine?
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:19 PM
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5. Clever!! He isn't lying, just muddying the water
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 03:23 PM by indie_voter
the president said Iraq "sheltered terrorist groups." He also noted it offered cash to families of suicide bombers who attacked Israel.

There is evidence Saddam helped Hamas and other Palestine based/sympathetic terrorist groups.

al-Qaeda was NOT one of those groups, the agenda was different. His comments have nothing to do with those who attacked us on 9/11.

Although now, thanks to this admin, they are all morphing together in to one giant evil conglomerate.

These comments from Bush are even worse than lying, it is conscious attempt to confuse the issue. Taking a certain set of facts and applying it to a different argument.

Disgusting.

Cheney is also playing games with Northern Iraq, the no fly zone and Saddam controlled Iraq.

VILE
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:20 PM
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15. Couldn't agree more. These people have no respect ...
... for anyone's intelligence. They think they can just muddy the water and people won't see what they are doing and have done. If Bush/Cheney supporters checked the facts, the world would be a lot better place. It's hard to believe that a president (technically) of the United States would be so willing to use slimy half-truths and "sales-speak" on matters of national security. But that's the sad fact.

I second you.

It's disgusting and vile.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:56 PM
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23. yes Iraq did have a training camp or two
OUTSIDE of Saddam's control in the north of the country

Saddam (the secularist) and OBL (the fundie Muslim) had nothing but contempt for each other
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:28 PM
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6. He has fallen into the trap that all liars fall into.
He has to tell more lies to cover for the lies he has already told. Once you tell one lie, more are sure to follow.

Unfortunately, how many dumbasses will believe this and how many will turned off by it as garbage and the last act of a desperate man?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:33 PM
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7. Terrorist connections, WMD will eventually be found, the
economy is adding millions of "jobs", the world is a safer place....

This is the world bought and paid for by the bogus money from enron.


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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:38 PM
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9. Saddam "supported" suicide bombers in Israel, hence terror connection
If you read carefully you will note that senior administration officials other than Cheney use a less than unambiguous definition of terrorists...mostly the Saddam connection has zero to do with 911.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:46 PM
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11. So that's it. We went to war for Israel.
A bit different than the original casus belli--that Saddam had WMD that could hit the US... or even that he had links to Al Qaeda. The whole he-tortured-and-killed-his-people thing is so last year since we're pretty much doing the same thing.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:21 PM
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16. Well, sort of. Early documents refer to "friendly gov's in ME
When you go back and read these Bush-I documents there is no doubt it is about Israel. But then the neocon-Israel/Likud connection has been discussed extensively and isn't a surprise.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:39 PM
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10. NOTHING can stop the Emperor* from telling his lies
Perfectly Orwellian.
Perfectly Stalinist.
Perfectly Bushevik.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:47 PM
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12. Wonder how he'll like being called "The Worst pResident Ever"?


But that just goes with the rest of his sorry, unsuccessful, failure of a life.

But he will have plenty of time to think over his errors while serving a life sentance at the Hague for crimes against humanity. I do hope they give him a cellmate fit to teach * some manners in public.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:47 PM
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13. Another lie...
what does that make it, fifty million and three?
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:11 PM
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14. the "because I said so" administration strikes again
You don't need facts when you have belief.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:06 PM
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18. Bush...you are 3 year late in crying "WOLF"! n/t
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:06 PM
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19. AP: White House Statements on Iraq, al-Qaida
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 06:06 PM by Barrett808
White House Statements on Iraq, al-Qaida
By The Associated Press

Comments by President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice alleging links between al-Qaida and Iraq under Saddam Hussein:

2002:

Rice, Sept. 25: "There clearly are contacts between al-Qaida and Iraq that can be documented; there clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that there's a relationship here. ... And there are some al-Qaida personnel who found refuge in Baghdad."

Bush, Oct. 7: "We know that Iraq and the al-Qaida terrorist network share a common enemy — the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al-Qaida have had high-level contacts that go back a decade" and "we've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaida members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases."

2003:

Bush, State of the Union address, Jan. 28: "And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al-Qaida."

Bush, Feb. 6: "Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al-Qaida have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al-Qaida" and "Iraq has also provided al-Qaida with chemical and biological weapons training."

2004:

Cheney, Jan. 21: "I continue to believe — I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between al-Qaida and the Iraqi government. I'm very confident that there was an established relationship there."

Cheney, Monday: Saddam Hussein "had long-established ties with al-Qaida."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040616/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_cheney_comments

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:12 PM
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20. Bill Scheider
CNN's "senior political analyst" had the nerve today to say "it doesn't matter" because Bush started the war to "promote American values"! Like, you know, torture and slaughter of innocent civilians and government lies and corporate greed...

If you can, please contact CNN and complain about this. It's bad enough Bush and Cheney continue to assert these lies but the media continuing to play along is just plain unforgiveable!
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:25 PM
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21. Oh yeah, Bill, that must be it...
Spreading those good old "American values" by bombing the crap out of their country, tossing tens of thousands into prisons and holding the rest at the point of a gun until they submit or else, whilst the likes of Haliburton rape their country of its resources. Hell, we don't need any damned reason at all to invade other countries, cuz we're Americans, dammit!

Well, Praise the Lawd and pass the prosthetics!
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:42 PM
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25. That's all they got? "Promote American values"? Sad. n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:32 PM
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22. The White House & CNN poll
Do you think al Qaeda and Iraq cooperated to attack the U.S. on 9/11?

Yes 31% 52956 votes

No 69% 117078 votes









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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:03 PM
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24. He says it over and over
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 07:10 PM by Marianne
at any opportunity; He does not care what the opportunity or what image he projects as in the latest appearance with Karzai. He thinks he is the main actor in the latest drama because he is ,indeed, a delusional and sick person who was not elected at all, He knows this and it pricks at him, daily because he cannot reach the same respect as his failed father, who was also a failed president. He, George Bush, is and has been way in over his head.
The entire presidency so far has been nothing but a cover up for his less than upt to -par intelligence and his less than grasp on anything so serious as the office of the presidency of the US/

He thought he could fake it and get away with that as he has all of his life.

WE are on to it.

All he cares about, it seems to me, is that he gets the talking point across. That talking point comes from Cheney.

That seems to be in the most recent appearances is that Saddam was actively involved in terrorism against the US.


He just barges ahead, in spite of all the inconsistencies, and the reason he does so is because, I am convinced, is because he is being TOLD to do so. He is in way over his head.

Others are steering and dictating to him and he does not know ho9w to do anything else but to obey them

and behind it all, is the fat assed, fat bellied, bloated and severely heart challenged, Cheney.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:52 PM
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26. Wait a second. I thought Bush said there was no connection
Didn't Bush say a few months ago that there was no connection between Saddam and Al Qaida? I'm sure I heard that. He said it in kind of an off the cuff manner back when the media was pointing out that 70% of Americans believed that there was a connection.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:40 PM
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31. He said this publicly on 9/17/03 for the first time.
I'm sorry I don't have a link, but the date is burned into my brain. I was watching the 6:00 news with my parents, and I will never forget the relief I felt at hearing the truth, finally, and at the same time the rage I felt inside, especially since my parents had no visible reaction to this admission, since they bought all the lies and were in favor of the war, which led to a few shouting and crying matches (with me doing most of the shouting and all of the crying, that's how desperate I felt as I watched the lie unfold in death on the tv.)
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:00 PM
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27. You folks forget: he can't be lying.
He doesn't read the papers or, apparently, get properly briefed. He's also really dumb. Lying requires some tiny spark of creativity. He's at best parroting.

Someone with photoshop skills ought to make a bush/parrot composite.
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:25 PM
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29. done
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:30 PM
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30. Excellent!
You see, that's what I love about this site, right there in one simple parrot picture.
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:03 PM
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28. It's all they have...
they must keep their little campfire going....repeat the lie ,repeat the lie,repeat the lie,repeat the lie

what a pathetic crew
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:56 PM
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33. same reason, different song
and dance over and over again with this man and his regime. I hope the American people can see through this rhetoric. After so many excuses.....I hope they are beginning to wonder why we ever went to war and invaded Iraq.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 06:49 AM
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34. As usual he lies.
Can't let the truth possibly get in the way and I bet the media and the Democrats do not call him on it.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 07:19 AM
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35. It's pretty lame....
.. when your hand-picked panel won't even support your argument :)
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Kinkistyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:01 AM
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36. Unwavering steadiness in a changing world.
Not that the fact that Iraq was in no way connected to 9/11 ever changed, but Bush just can't seem to stop telling the same old lies. Maybe thats what he meant by not being a "flip-flopper"
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 08:14 AM
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37. The administration is not inflating the case against Saddam.
They are LYING!
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