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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 02:05 PM
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Neoconservatives lay low, hope for Iraqi democracy
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N21459103.htm

WASHINGTON, June 21 (Reuters) - The neoconservative architects of the U.S. invasion of Iraq are anxiously watching events there, aware that failure could prevent the United States from aggressively confronting other states such as Iran, analysts said on Monday.

The so-called neoconservatives argue that U.S. interests and values are best pursued, especially in the Middle East, through "regime change" in certain countries and the establishment of pro-U.S. democracies in their stead.

Several analysts said one clear way of gauging the influence of the neoconservatives will be by watching U.S. policy toward Iran. At the moment, Washington is working with the International Atomic Energy Agency to try to control Tehran's nuclear program and bring it under effective outside monitoring.

"If the neoconservatives have their way, you will see more confrontation (with Iran) and the United States backing away from a willingness to work through international organizations," said Jonathan Clarke of the conservative Cato Institute, co-author of a recent book on the neoconservative movement.

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Jay Bradfield Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 02:16 PM
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1. Neocons on the decline...
I am not as concerned about the neocons. Their little Iraq adventure has cost more moderate Republicans big time and has REALLY pissed off the many libertarian Republicans who occupy lots of positions of power in the conservative power structure in DC.

Neocons really are only a tiny and frequently despised band among other right-wingers.

The much bigger problem is how to prevent groups like neocons from having such a disproportionate impact on our policies.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 02:21 PM
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4. I guess I am more concerned
All it would take is beating the war drums in reaction to "state sponsored" terrorism (real or imaginary) to get the public and politicians riled up again. It can happen at any time. All though I agree that they are currently being silent.

To be honest, the damage may already be done. Who knows what chain of events has been set in place in the ME already?
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Jay Bradfield Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 05:24 PM
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12. that's right about the chain of events
and my suspicion is that that's all they really wanted, to force America into the Middle East and let the logical consequences unfold from there.
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 02:17 PM
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2. I'm hoping my eyes turn green overnight too
I hate to break it to them, but the Iraqi people don't watch Faux and they are aware that the June 30th handover is nothing but a farcical fig leaf and that there will still be 100,000+ American troops occupying the country. Keep hoping, assholes. You also hoped this would be a "cakewalk."
All together now, gang: " FUCK YOU, YOU MURDEROUS MORONS"
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 02:19 PM
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3. they might want to try slithering a bit lower, like under a rock
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 02:39 PM
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8. I like the way you think.
These were my thoughts as well.
Hiding under a rock might be the best option if things continue to fall apart in Iraq.

They better hope they don't stand in the dock accused of war crimes.
I hope that knock on the door or the phone call comes soon.

The longer this war grinds on, the less secure they will be - and discredited Republicans will be looking for scapegoats. Loyalty only goes so far . In my fantasy, the legislative vigilantees will be dragging Perle, Wolfowitz, Rice, Cheney, and the Chimp to see the hanging judge for some frontier justice.




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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 05:26 PM
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13. Yup,...orange suits, bars, yellow walls,...
,...that is my fantasy for these conspirators to commit war crimes. Yes, indeedy!!!

:bounce:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 02:24 PM
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5. The neocons want Iraqi democracy
About as much as they want American democracy, which is to say, not much at all. They may, however, want a puppet government masquerading as democracy. It won't fool too many people, though.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 02:24 PM
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6. Bush neocons have "screwed the pooch" for all other Republicans.
Edited on Mon Jun-21-04 02:26 PM by Rex
Everything that has been accomplished (if you can call it that word) during Reagan's tenure in office, has been undone by Dubya and his Merry Band of Thugs. I talk to people around here (South Texas) that are hardcore conservatives and they will NOT be voting for Bush this time out. Iraq has destroyed 20+ years of Rep work in the eyes of moderate/hardocre conservatives - most of which loved Reagan and voted for Bush Sr.

I for one am smiling like the Cheshire Cat.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 02:45 PM
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9. Please let it be so, dear Lord...
Deliver us from evil...
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 02:37 PM
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7. They should crawl back
under the stones from whence they came. However - I fear no such outcome. They have no shame and sense of decency.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 03:31 PM
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10. They're hoping for a spontaneous eruption of democracy
In an occupied country that has been blow to smithereens.

Okay.

Oh God we have to stop these creeps!



http://www.wgoeshome.com
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 03:53 PM
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11. Iraq a Democracy?
That is a pathetic joke. If the Occupation left Iraq would be a Muslim Theocracy within months with the Sunnis, Shi'ites and Kurds fighting for control of their sectors. Iraq will nver be a Democracy!
The US Govt. wouldn't care if it ever was as long as the Iraqis allowed the Multi-Corps to stay and allowed the US & the UK to control the oil flow. Iraq will have a US Puppet Govt. forever unless the Iraqis rise up and force the US Occupation Forces to leave their country.

The following is the reality!



Full Sovereignty?
"Throughout the spring, as hundreds died in the spiraling conflict, as Regime bosses applied their hardcore "anti-terrorist" tortures to innocent bystanders raked up in their occupation nets, as Regime mouthpieces prated endlessly of "liberation" and "sovereignty," Bush viceroy Paul Bremer was quietly signing a series of edicts that will give the United States effective control over the military, ministries -- and money -- of any Iraqi government, for years to come, The Wall Street Journal reports.

Bremer has placed U.S.-appointed "commissions" made up of Americans and local puppets throughout Iraqi government agencies; the ministers supposedly in charge weren't even told of the edicts. These boards "will serve multiyear terms and have significant authority to run criminal investigations, award contracts, direct troops and subpoena citizens," the Journal reports. Any new Iraqi government "will have little control over its armed forces, lack the ability to make or change laws and be unable to make major decisions within specific ministries without tacit U.S. approval, say U.S. officials.


Earlier Bremer edicts laid the Iraqi economy wide open to ruthless exploitation by Bush-approved foreign "investors"; dominance of such key sectors as banking, communications -- and energy -- is already well advanced. The latest dictates aim to ensure that this organized looting goes on, no matter what kind of makeshift "interim government" the United Nations manage to piece together. Bush's plans to build a Saddamite fortress embassy in Baghdad and 14 permanent military bases around the country are designed to provide the knee-breaking "security" for these lucrative arrangements."

http://context.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/05/21/120.html


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