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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 01:10 PM
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Groups Try to Block Florida Abortion Vote
The Associated Press


The ACLU and Planned Parenthood sued Monday to block a Florida ballot measure that would pave the way for a law requiring parents to be told when their minor daughters seek abortions.

The lawsuit argues that the ballot summary for the proposed constitutional amendment is misleading leading voters to think they're preserving rights when, in fact, the measure takes them away.

State lawmakers voted this spring to put the proposed constitutional change before voters. The ballot summary says state lawmakers "shall not limit or deny the privacy rights guaranteed to minors" under the U.S. Constitution.

But the summary doesn't explain that the state constitution gives Floridians greater privacy rights than the federal Constitution and that the proposed change would limit those state privacy rights for girls under the age of 18, according to the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida and several Planned Parenthood chapters. ...

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doctorbombeigh Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 01:14 PM
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1. Another divisive, hot button issue for Floridians
Well, it's not as if we expected these clowns to lay down and get beat. Looks like we'll just have to work even harder in Florida.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 01:17 PM
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2. And the responsible party that impregnates......are his rights to
abridged as well?
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 01:29 PM
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3. Oh so now they want some girls to have to ask the person who raped them
Edited on Mon Aug-02-04 01:31 PM by Massacure
to get an abortion???

That is real crude.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 02:05 PM
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7. False assumption
You assume that all teenage pregnancies are the result of rape, which is quite wrong. The vast majority are the result of unsafe sex.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 02:13 PM
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8. Notice I said some girls though.
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doctorbombeigh Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 02:31 PM
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9. I don't care. Legally, a teen can give birth w/out notifying anyone
I hardly think that it's a consistent or sensible public policy to require notification when a teen terminates a pregnancy, but not require any notification when a teenager actually gives birth. Really, it's none of my damned business how they got pregnant nor is it yours, in my opinion.

The whole thing's a bunch of election-year hooey to try to win Florida. When, for the love of god, will fundies figure out that they're getting played by the Republicans? They vote to end abortion year after year and every year, abortion is still legal. What they get is a fake tax cut as the answer to every problem in America, and not a damned thing changes on abortion, school prayer, flag-burning nor on any other "culture" issue.

This year, religious fundamentalists will - once again - line up to vote against abortion. Abortion will stay legal and what they'll get in return for their vote is the destruction of Social Security. I wish that god would help these people to be more intelligent citizens.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 01:36 PM
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4. Text
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/initiatives/fulltext/10-59.htm



Reference:

Article X, Section 22

Ballot Title:

PARENTAL NOTIFICATION OF A MINOR'S TERMINATION OF PREGNANCY

Ballot Summary:

Proposing an amendment to the State Constitution to authorize the Legislature to require by general law for notification to a parent or guardian of a minor before the termination of the minor's pregnancy. The amendment provides that the Legislature shall not limit or deny the privacy rights guaranteed to minors under the United States Supreme Court. The Legislature shall provide exceptions to such requirement for notification and shall create a process for judicial waiver of the requirement for notification.

Full Text:


ARTICLE X


MISCELLANEOUS

Section 22. Parental notice of termination of a minor's pregnancy.--
The legislature shall not limit or deny the privacy right guaranteed to a minor under the United States Constitution as interpreted by the United States Supreme Court. Notwithstanding a minor's right of privacy provided in Section 23 of Article I, the Legislature is authorized to require by general law for notification to a parent or guardian of a minor before the termination of the minor's pregnancy. The Legislature shall provide exceptions to such requirement for notification and shall create a process for judicial waiver of the notification.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 01:44 PM
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5.  We have a parental notification law in Texas.
Someone is suing an abortion provider because the minor provided false id to get her abortion. They can go in front of a judge if they don't want to ask their parent(s).

I have no idea what the impact is.
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 02:39 PM
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10. Bush nominated a Texas Judge
and before her nomination, she denyed every single minor that requested an abortion without notifying her parents.

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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 01:56 PM
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6. Dumb Question??
Are hospitals required to notify parents of any and every medical procedure performed on a minor who has given consent?

If so, unfortunately, this is consistent.

THEN, the question is, do parents have the right to OVERRIDE a minor's consent?

I don't have ANY problem with notifying parents... AFTER the procedure is done. Or even 5 minutes before hand.

Just not in time to BLOCK the procedure.

I think parents need to know that their daughters are sexually active... and pregnant.

And if a daughter knows that her parents will disown her for getting pregnant, and she gets pregnant anyway, I'm not sure it's the responsibility of a medical professional to keep it a secret, as long as abortion remains a medical procedure which can have complications.
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doctorbombeigh Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 02:44 PM
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11. Parents are responsible for knowing their own children.
Doctors are not responsible for parents who don't know their children are sexually active and/or pregnant. If your kid is sexually active or pregnant and you don't know anything about it, that's on you. You live with the kid, not the doctor.

Doctors are responsible for providing safe and legal medical procedures to their patients and for respecting patient privacy.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 03:03 PM
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12. Recommended reading google-
parental rape statistics for minors
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 04:31 PM
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13. Okay.....so how often does that situation actually come up?
You made the statement. I am curious as to how many times this actually becomes an issue.

BNoth sides in this debate tend to center on the ridiculous such a parental notification laws in the event eh parent has raped the child. It;s like a ani-abortion person pointing to the recent article on selective elimination(the abortion of a few fetuses in the even t of a multiple pregnancy). How much of a factor are these issues? And if so, most notification laws I have seen aloow the minor to consult a judge if the situation you describe is the reality.
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