Bryant accuser might want case dropped

DENVER- The woman who accused Kobe Bryant of rape will have to discuss with prosecutors whether she will go ahead with the criminal case because she fears the release of court documents about her sex life threatens her chance of getting a fair hearing, one of her lawyers said wednesday.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5602289


So let me get this straight, this women had someone else's sperm in her vagina and investigaters discard that so they can press charges. Now when the actual evidence is introduced she all of a sudden wants to drop charges so she can get the big bucks in a lawsuit. I think this is a "Get the n*****" scam that she's pulling here in racist, repug, Colorado.

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That Kobe would actually play better basketball- in the playoffs, no less - after having flown to Colorado to testify in this case.

consent now.....I did hear the rape expert rationalize this but....come on....I think the violent rape issue is for courts....not the slightly hesitant victims......yes, such victims exist and it is not acceptable behavior but the crime charge should reflect such.

but I also think the victim has been intimidated a million times over between the death threats she got, her name and address being posted on the internet and a variety of other actions by Kobe's defense...California law has been clarified by the Ca SC to determine that at any point a NO is issued, it is sexual assault...it is time state legislatures defined it.

DOLLAR! Remember, Jesus saves, Moses invests! Do you think a pre-settlement settlement may have been in the works?

With a provocative statement like that, you really should provide a link so we can read for ourselves. I don't know who's innocent or guilty in this case, but it's getting harder and harder to assess the information when a case is being judged by cable TV.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/25/national/main608560.shtml
"Another closed-door hearing resumes Thursday on a request by Bryant's lawyers to throw out evidence including the NBA star's recorded statements to investigators and a T-shirt stained with the accuser's blood."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5551114/
"Prosecutor Ingrid Bakke later said the only DNA evidence she plans to use was from the alleged victim’s blood found on Bryant’s T-shirt."

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/Stories/0,1413,206%257E28726%257E1834904,00.html
"Evidence the defense seeks to bar includes an interview of Bryant secretly taped by investigators and a T-shirt he was wearing the night he allegedly assaulted the 19-year-old concierge at an exclusive resort. Investigators say the woman's blood was found on the shirt."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/kobebryanttrial/2948840/detail.html
"Colorado's rape-shield law generally bars defense attorneys from bringing up an alleged victim's sexual history. Judges, however, can hear such testimony in private to determine whether the information is relevant and admissible as evidence.

The two-day hearing will also help determine whether Bryant's statements to authorities will be admitted at trial along with physical evidence including a T-shirt stained with the accuser's blood."

Read the articles, and realize that the blood is not in an amount discernable to the naked eye, but is the size of a pinprick, discovered after the application of Luminol.

It's a great headline to say "bloody shirt", but in reality, we are talking about a pinprick-sized bit of blood.

And anyone, who has ever had sex, knows that a small amount of blood is completely normal for many women.

None of them say anything about luminol or the size of the blood stain. Bring your own links if you got 'em.

it is a violation of her body

Does not MATTER who she has had consential sex with

but convincing a jury is another matter.

place.

She went up to his room , she had sex in mind ' i'm almost certain. 50-50 chance it was "buyers remorse"

Of course he wasn't cute like Kobe. Image is everything.

I'm sorry for jumping on this but how the hell do you know that?

Sheesh.

I suppose there is another reason to meet a mattied star of the opposite sex in his hotel at night, I just can't think of one.Especially since she admits to getting to first base.

to discuss investment portfolio stock and options.

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and calm down. You don't know any of these people, do you? Is there any reason to be so uncivil over people you don't know?

You pulled the article regarding Bakke's use of the blood evidence only on the t-shirt.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5551114 /
"Prosecutor Ingrid Bakke later said the only DNA evidence she plans to use was from the alleged victim’s blood found on Bryant’s T-shirt."

Why would a prosecutor do that?

Moantainvue--do some research and go to the source. You can't rely on articles that condense reams of information into a few paragraphs. Anybody who has actually followed this case in some detail knows that the white t-shirt, collected by Detective Winters, from Kobe, had blood not visible on initial examination.

I refer you to the actual transcript of the pre-trial evidentiary hearing, where Winters describes missing the blood, and sending it to the CBI lab for forensic testing (where they would have used Luminol and a blacklight):

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/kobetranf19.html

Now, this is a white t-shirt. Ask yourself "How minimal must the blood have been for a detective to miss it?" Pinpricks of blood, mixed with Kobe's DNA. Winters himself in the transcript later describes it as a "small amount".

In fact, I suggest you read the entire transcript, and familiarize yourself with actual evidence that was collected, and particularly, the reason why the prosecutor in this case is only presenting the supposed 'bloody t-shirt', and will not present other DNA evidence.. Note that Bakke has backed off the bloody yellow underwear and the purple thong underwear, because she has no reasonable explanation for them.

You know, the purple thong underwear that she wore for her encounter with Kobe--the one with her DNA, and Kobe's DNA. And, the yellow panties that she wore to her rape exam, that have spots of blood, Kobe's DNA, Her DNA, someone else's DNA, and some Caucasian pubic hairs.

Or the vaginal swabs that have Kobe and someone else's DNA. Bakke's not presenting that, at all. Why?

I suggest to you that the science simply does not match up to the accuser's story, and that the 'bloody shirt' is a prosecution red herring in light of mountains of physical evidence that neither you, nor they, can explain.

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she had consentual sex, with another man, a few hours after the encounter with Kolby....they the light went on..."Oh, Koby raped me"......and called the police.

before she was raped? The evidence on that doesn't seem to be definitive.

Here is what the defense is claiming, and so far, the prosecution has not been able to refute this:

Accuser (A) and Kobe (B) engage in sex (not characterizing the act).

You would expect that Accuser and Kobe have biological evidence from each other. Therefore, AB or BA

But, A shows up at the hospital with ABCD. (C and D are two other biological profiles)

Kobe is tested, and shows AB. The absence of C and D implies that Kobe predated them, because it is unlikely that Kobe would be able to selectively clean off two other profiles without cleaning off profile A.

Interesting case.

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what was she doing in that room in the first place? She's got to know there was ONE reason why Kobe was there with her: sex. She cannot feign innocence on that point.

had her rape exam.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/kobetrane20.html

More links:
http://www.courts.state.co.us/exec/media/eagle/12-03/motn_for_disc4.pdf
http://www.courts.state.co.us/exec/media/eagle/01-04/resp_4_discovery.pdf

unless the words have dots between them.

Please do not stop now...
Please do not stop...
Please do not...
Please do...
Please!

Prosecution claims she went home, put on soiled underwear (with someone else's sperm on it) and then went for her rape exam. Is that believable?

the girl who did not bathe, has multiple sex partners, and wears dirty underwear :eyes:...

prosecuting sex crimes is a dirty business, and one must have nerves of steel to even "go there"..

No one "wins"..:(

I've done all of the above, though not sex with more than one partner simultaneously.

Hippie chicks watch out. You're guilty bitches, pre-rape.

My friend's son was murdered in cold blood by his father-in-law...IN FRONT OF HIS 5 AND 8 YR OLD KIDS.... and in court his Mom (my friend) had to listen to the defense atty call her son an alcoholic, adn worse... as if that "excused" his being shot through the locked screen door with a shotgun..

Law is a mean business,,and for rape and sex crimes it's worse, because so many intimate things are made public..:(

Saddam had something to do with 9/11. So I guess if people belive that pile of pig shit they'll believe that one as well.

The exam is a little more detailed than looking at her underwear...

are paid big bucks by the defense. Eagle County doesn't have that kind of money.

but putting on dirty underwear after being raped seems repugnant.

you were just raped?

it's not the least bit believable.

Can remain on clothing through a wash cycle

on her inner thigh and on her cervix...

Not only did the accuser show up in the hospital with 'dirty underwear', but the sperm contained in said underwear are the most motile superswimmers, ever.

You see, the sperm from her panties also manages to migrate into her vagina, so that swabs taken from deep in her vagina show two biological profiles--Kobe's and someone else's.

The prosecution is claiming that these sperm, three days old, swam from the panties. The defense has called a CBI scientist to refute this claim. That should be interesting, as CBI usually testifies on behalf of the prosecution.

Only two people know what happened in that room, and one of them is obviously lying. Kobe also has some embarrasing sexual history, as I understand it. He has been accused (not criminally) of unwanted groping by a couple of women.

Also, to say these charges were brought because he is black is to trivialize real racism. I don't think a white NBA star would have been treated any differently.

Why is it that everyone get's upset about Deon Sanders making over 20 million to play football yet they think it's ok if Jim Carrey get's 90 million a picture. I think race has alot to do with this.

He's got the best lawyers money can buy. What does she have representing her? A night school attorney turned prosecutor and a court clerk who probably makes about $25k a year "accidentally" posting her sealed medical history records and other things on the internet.

I'm talking about race not economics. Besides she has every right winger, talking head, Eagle County Police, religously insane fruitcake in the country backing her besides. Kobe's attorney is nothing like Rush Limbaugh's or OJ's if you really look at it.

I lived in Eagle County. There are the pass through, ski season "haves" and the people who actually live there who are the working class that serves them. Who exactly does she have on her side?
Kobe Bryant has the best attorneys, job and pr machine money can buy. What does this girl have? Death threats, her name, address and sexual history publsihed on the internet.
Once again, her blood was on his shirt.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

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The only thing that I think that may give a hint of racism in this country is that it is a Blonde and a Black Male. And, Kobe had the nerve to mess with a lovely small town lady from Colorado.

If Kobe had been charged with raping an African American young lady it would have been a 24 hr. story. Unless it was Bill Cosby's daughter then it would get more air time. There would be a huge settlement.

If a White Sports figure had been charged with raping Paris Hilton it would have been a 2 month story. There would be a huge pay off to little innocent Paris and end of story.

If a Black Sports Figure was charged with raping Paris Hilton it would be a HUGE story lasting years. Black Star would be looking at life in Prison,probably a huge settlement. Britany Spears - a six month story. Jenna Bush - Black Star would have an unexplained car/plane accident within 2 days.

I do believe that RACE still matters in this country. Like it or not,White America will never forgive OJ Simpson for the murder of Nicole.

That image, IMO, has never left the thoughts of many White Americans.
If Nicole had been Black,would it have been as "high profile" a case? Of course not.

we're SUPPOSED to forgive murder when the murderer gets off?

black murderer or white, that's crap!

if nicole was black, OJ would be in jail.

If Nicole were black OJ never would have been framed.

It's amazing how many people there are that are aware of racism, corruption, and incompetence, yet overlook the trifecta that came together in the OJ case.

I said that if Nicole had been Black there would not have been the same amount of publicity. And I stand by my thought that White America would not have the same amount of anger if Nicole had been Black.

As an African American I can tell you that Black America does not have the same thoughts as White America about OJ.There are many African Americans that DO NOT believe that OJ did it.

If Nicole had been Black they may have believed that OJ did it because the racial factor would not be in the mix. And yes, OJ may have quickly gone to jail for life.

I happen to believe that he did do it but that does not change the feelings in the African American community.

I can tell from the anger in your response to me that the feelings are still strong.

And that is the problem, his sexual history is out there for all to see, hers on the other hand is treated like the plans for the Normandy Invasion.

We don't know what her sexual history is, and for good reason, so with that in mind, Kobe's sexual history should not be a consideration in this case. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, in this situation.

Maybe the prosecutor brought the charges because the evidence determined that a crime had been committed. But with 87% of the towns population being white, you have to keep an open mind about this kind of thing, don't you?

it's a race issue. At least in this country. Unfortunately.

Get this DOO-DAH OFF the front pages. :eyes:

story to go crazy about.

:shrug:

get it of the front pages

no need to insult the entire state

besides - Eagle isn't necessarily Republican territory.

The rest of the county with a few exceptions are Repug area.

Especially Colorado Springs -- Fundieland to the max.

Hawkeye-X

so everyone who doesn't live in Denver/Boulder is a rascist Republican.

He did her.
He is a married 'superstar' P*ece Of Sh*t.
He can never pay enough.

that "He did her" - if it was consensual

cheating on his wife that is not a crime, if it was there would be millions of people doing time for it.

However, this doesn't mean the guy is innocent of the crime. This sort of backing off is common for rape victims, and probably more likely to occur in a case with this much press coverage.

I'm so sick of people opining about this.


The jury will decide. Just like they did with O.J.

Kobe is a lousy freaking adulterer at best, and now even though his wife got a big rock out of it, she still has to wonder how many preceded this one.

Those are the facts, the jury will decide the rest.

I thought we were the party of science, as in DNA. OJ did it, period OR DNA analysis has no meaning. It's either one or the other. Despite my overwhelming bond with all who vote for Kerry, you guys need to face facts. He's a psycho walking the streets and he likes it.

"entertainment" criminal case . . . since as a lawyer, I get it all first-hand including the scumbags who perp this horror.

One issue that I HAVE heard is that the court (the judge) inadvertently revealed her true identity in published court documentation not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES! Crap! At that alone it would chill only the most tenacious alleged rape victims to proceed further with the trial. If something "new" comes up, it only aids her backing away toward the exit door instead of the court resolving the matter.

The bottom line? Televised trials, paparazzi trials, celebrity trials make a mockery of the judicial system, period. So, yeah, you're correct in being "so sick of ppl opining about this" as well as the rest of the pulp spewed out of the so-called "news media" as legal proceedings. It sucks.

should never even be part of this case. She has a damn good civil lawyer in Lin Wood and hopefully justice will be served here. That judge is a friggin' joke.

If, for instance, the evidence showed that she had had sex with another man after she claimed Bryant raped her, that would be potentially exculpatory. We don't know what is in the info, so we don't have the perspective to see if it's relevant.

... would that be exculpatory? This is one explanation I have to hear, and please provide links to case law or something other than your considered opinion.

I think that the judge has been, well, judicious in his allowance of 'sexual history' of the accuser.

The accuser is claiming injuries to the forchette and to her face due to Kobe. However, because there is evidence of other encounters, Kobe's defense can reasonably claim that it is possible that any injuries were suffered in a prior/subsequent encounter.

Therefore, allowing limited examination of the accusers sexual activities in the three days prior, and up to the rape exam is a fair move.

Ultimately, I think the science does not back up the accuser's story.

ugh, who cares

Bryant should be convicted of aggravated egotistic hubris and sent to play basketball in Europe for what he did to Shaq, the hardest working man in the NBA or any sport, for that matter. Now there is nothing restraining me from deserting the guys in Yellow.