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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:31 PM
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Author Says Despite Critics, Bush Will Be Guided by Faith
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/8/42004e.asp

A former correspondent for Time magazine says President George W. Bush is not stressed out about the upcoming election.

In researching his latest book, A Man of Faith: The Spiritual Journey of George W. Bush (W Publishing Group, 2004), David Aikman was granted access to some of the president's closest friends. The former magazine journalist, who covered events in Russia, Eastern Europe, China, and the Middle East during his years with Time, gathered much of the material for his book on Bush by talking with people who knew and worked closely with him, including Commerce Secretary Don Evans, Advisor Karen Hughes, and some of the president's former pastors.

The Christian author says from those conversations it is clear that the president's faith in God provides him with peace about the upcoming election. "Here is a president who I think, perhaps more than any recent inhabitant of the White House, is comfortable with whatever Providence brings him," Aikman says, "whether it's re-election or defeat, he really is comfortable in his skin with what the Almighty has in store for him."

And although George W. Bush is often blasted by liberals for "wearing his religion on his sleeve," the author of his spiritual biography says Bush is not alone when it comes to his outspoken views. Aikman notes that the history of America's chief executive office has always had a concurrent tradition of faith running through it. He points out that, since the time of George Washington, U.S. presidents have been "either men of faith or men who strongly supported faith."

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:32 PM
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1. i thought the guiding came from the "puppet strings".... such an idiot
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:34 PM
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2. glad to see he's comfortable with losing... his legacy is just that
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:35 PM
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3. Who's Faith??? A Call Girl In Georgetown????
:-)
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:00 PM
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10. LOL!
Might as well be! :)
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:42 PM
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25. ROTFLMAO!
I have a sister-in-law named Faith. LOL!
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:35 PM
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4. Books against * use facts...books for * use
opinions.

The author feels...* is great.

VS.

On August 3rd, * lied in a speech regarding......

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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:15 PM
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16. Ah! That's what talking points were when Reagan died, too.
Someone said Reagan was great in all things you can't quantify: "He made us feel good about ourselves, he made America great again," etc. etc.

Because he (Reagan) absolutely can't measure up with real statistics used to measure presidents' effectiveness (job growth, deficits, et. al.)

So * is the same way now. Facts vs. opinions, thinking vs. feeling. Verrry interesting.
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:03 AM
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45. Just like the right wing...

People who never even served with John Kerry - Don't 'think' he's a good commander.

No proof - got any documentation from superiors, written disciplinary reports? Didn't 'think' so. Any PROOF you were even on the same cheneying boat! No? Just implied innuendo.


I keep hearing " * will fight to keep you safer" - How? What's the plan? Can I get anything as far as 'proof' that he's going to make us safer? Why isn't he in Washington 24 hours a day, learning something, doing something? Doing anything!

John Kerry - going to increase funding for first responders.
- going to increase the military by 40,000 - in places other than Iraq.
- won't raise terror alerts unless there is 'credible' information. Remember when Clinton said "Be afraid they're going to attack LAX? It's because he didn't - he simply worked with law enforcement and foiled the attempt.

This is the difference folks. We use facts. They use labels, slogans and unsubstantiated sound bites.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:37 PM
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5. BS...
I doubt W has ever read The Bible in his life; maybe the Cliff-Notes version..
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:12 PM
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19. He has his advisors give him the 'unbiased' version
Blessed are the peacemakers? Never heard of it.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:32 PM
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22. He just looked at the pictures
if there were any.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 07:18 PM
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33. He didn't any illustrations - the LSD induced color trails were enough
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:43 PM
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6. either men of faith or men who strongly supported faith.
Aikman notes that the history of America's chief executive office has always had a concurrent tradition of faith running through it. He points out that, since the time of George Washington, U.S. presidents have been "either men of faith or men who strongly supported faith."

Except for that Jefferson... oh and that Lincoln character... Neither one of those characters accomplished anything!
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:07 PM
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28. ....and Washington wouldn't step foot in a church...
he waited outside while Martha went in. Many were concerned by his adherence to freemasonry. The guy was a deist.
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:23 PM
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38. Also, When George Washington was on his death bed
He would not allow a minister to be present. He wanted no part of it.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:44 PM
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7. I'm fine with this, as long as every living Amerikan has to worship just
like Bush. I think every Amerikan should be converted to Bush's beliefs otherwise they must face death. Why not just go for it? That's what the GOP wants. Also, every women who's had and abortion must where a shroud of shame as long as Bush is our ruler. All abortion clinics and unwanted pregnancies are to no longer have any available way to terminate a pregnancy. If the woman's life is threatened, then by all means, the unborn child is more important to the future of George Bush's faith than the living breathing, thinking woman! If a women has had a pregnancy in her past, she must repent by publicly taking 100 lashes by George Bush's regime of police officers.
Anyone who doesn't pray at a certain time every day, will be shot in the head on FOX to warn others that if you don't believe George Bush's way you will be executed. Have I missed anything else from this cocaine-head of a president? OH...God will forgive that George Bush paid for an abortion and knocked up some whore, because we all know, as long as you 'say' you are saved, not live like you're saved, then God absolves you of all responsibility in your life. I love Christianity, what a brilliant scam to believe in! OH, since the bible states all homosexuals will be stoned to death, there will be a mass killing on FOX, stoning all known and suspected single people over 30. All pedophile priest are of course, absolved of their sins because God forgives them! That should finally make the GOP all happy, the women back in the house, pregnant, with the husband doing whatever he wants to her as property, homosexuals eradicated from society forever, and abortion illegal once again. Why were at it, why not bring back segregation?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:45 PM
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8. The same God who told him to attack Iraq
and kill thousands of inncoent people.

The same God who told him to cut every rich American's taxes, make the vast majority of Americans poorer and run up debt for future generations to pay.

The same God who told him to stall the advancement of scientific research that could alleviate the suffering of millions.

Yeah, that God.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:51 PM
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9. BS: I think he finds his "peace" in a bottle just as he always has...
The only question is whether it is bourbon or anti-psychotics....:eyes:
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:33 PM
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23. Maybe a bag of pretzels ?
I can hope, cant' I ?
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:02 PM
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11. Another press release book paid for by Bush's family?
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 04:02 PM by Democat
Every line was probably approved by Rove before it was published.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:07 PM
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12. If Someone Who Says He is God is His Co-Pilot - GET ME A PARACHUTE!
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flewellyn Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:21 PM
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17. God WAS my copilot...
But we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat him.

(That used to be my bumpersticker.)
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:08 PM
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13. I wonder why they did a back to side view on the cover instead of
a front view? Hmmmmm Do his eyes belie the title and words of the book?

Anyone who believes he is "THE ANOINTED ONE" will read this and sigh and say their hallelujahs or whatever. It won't change anyone's mind.

I'm sure all the "beautiful minds" of the world agree with *!
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:11 PM
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14. Correction: He'll pretend to be guided by faith.
Every night in the mirror, little Georgie has fun saying, "I'm not a man of faith, but I play one on TV."

Ugh.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:13 PM
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15. more validation for my theory:
he wants to lose. because he believes that god has everything planned, its out of his hands. nothing he does can change his fate.

it must drive his handlers nuts.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:08 PM
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18. If he's ready to accept God's decision on re-election or defeat
why is he fighting tooth and nail, using the filthiest, dirtiest tactics to smear a decent human being in order to hang onto his position? Why not just let God decide?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:34 PM
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24. Ah yes, but when God is on your side...
The ends justify the means. Its that easy.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:13 PM
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20. Just like Osama is guided by his faith in his God?
:shrug: I guess it depends on which God YOU choose; however, it seems that they are both worshipping the same God who doesn't give a shit about anyone or anything except them!

I WANT A DIFFERENT DIETY PLEASE!!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:27 PM
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21. W Group Publishing?
Is this a faith based marketing group dedicated to the cult of W?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:49 PM
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26. Bush guided by Faith, maybe Kerry can be guided by Buffy.
I think you can trust Buffy more.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:03 PM
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27. He is not guided by my God
My God would never ever order me to bomb people. My God would never condone torture. My God would never agree with rape.

And here is another thing - My God does not need my help to "preserve the sanctity of marriage".

My God does not need my help...I need his. And if GWB really listened to my God....he would know instinctively how utterly WRONG it was to invade Iraq, how wrong it was to murder 13 000 innocent Iraqi's...how wrong it was to poison their land with Depleted Uranium.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:09 PM
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29. Amen n/t
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:11 PM
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30. Preach it!
I'd say "Amen" but someone already beat me to that...:D
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:13 PM
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31. Bush is guided by a messiah complex - not FAITH!
He doesn't worship publicly. He believes God speaks specifically to him while ignoring all others. Funny how God's orders to Bush* seem to follow the GOP and PNAC plan for empire, domination and corporate profit to a "T." :eyes:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:35 AM
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47. Messiah? I think he must be the antichrist.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:14 PM
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32. kkkkkeeeeyy-ripes! this is such B.S. . . .
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 06:19 PM by TaleWgnDg

This garbage -- all of it -- is political propaganda, period.

GWBush is a fundie extremist, this book is fundie extremist propaganda, published by a bunch of nutcases who are also fundie extremists! Helllooooooooo? There's a subtle distinction between "fundies" and "fundie extremists," and GWBush is of the latter.

Wake up, America!

Fundie extremists with money = push their religious views (for "morality" issues, etc) into our laws, into your homes, your families, into your total environment, they are on a self-righteous "moral crusade," and they have the means to do so IF in political power!

Enter GWBush and the G.O.P. (God's Own Party).

Excellent beginning resources on this entire subject:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/president/invoking.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/president/
see also:
http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyMain.cfm


:think: :think: :think:
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 07:50 PM
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34. Well win lose or draw they did what they set out to do, loot the treasury
These folks should be wearing black masks, striped shirts and carry bags marked swag. Buncha grifters. Drives me crazy that just because he belches some religious quote now and then the RR looks the other way.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:16 PM
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37. but the caveat is that . . .
George Walker Bush IS the "religious right" . . . as such, his fellow-believers LOVE him in the white house as George muses and drips this biblical reference or that biblical reference, listening and hearing God speak to him giving directives ... "God is on George's side." "God is on the side of the 'religious right'."

Indeed. How can they go wrong? be wrong?

Odd thing though . . . Osama bin Laden believes the very same thing.

Yup. Most fanatics do believe as do they.

==========================================
WHO WOULD JESUS ELECT?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2658470

The Bush-Cheney campaign continued its church-based
outreach by giving religious volunteers 22 timelined tasks.
By July 31, 2004 volunteers are to "send your church directory
to your state Bush-Cheney '04 headquarters or give to a
BC04 field rep." By August 15, "talk to your church's seniors
or 20-30 something group about Bush-Cheney '04." In October,
"finish distributing voter guides in your church" and post notices
"about all Christian citizens needing to vote." An IRS letter to the Bush and Kerry campaigns noted, "religious organizations are
allowed to sponsor debates, distribute voter guides and conduct
voter registration guides" unless they show "a preference for or
against a certain candidate or party."
==========================================
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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:09 PM
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35. If for no other reason, I hope Kerry wins
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 08:09 PM by Bullshot
just to see Pat Robertson explain his way out of his recent chit-chat with God in which Robertson claims he was told that Bush would be a shoe-in for re-election in 2004.

You just have to know that if Kerry wins, Robertson will blame it on some conspiracy of gays, or something. I'll love to see just what he says.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:13 PM
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36. I bet he binge drinks if he loses.
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 08:14 PM by Ilsa
I don't believe for one minute that he'll take a loss in November in stride. I bet they even parade his mommy all over cnn and faux news to tell us how unappreciative we are of his sacrifices. :evilfrown: :puke:

edited for typo
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:35 PM
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39. GeorgeW . . .
was "born again" to off-set his drinking (and coking). As such, he must also believe that if he does what God wants him to do, he will remain dry . . . so, he's "on a mission of God" . . .

It's a trade-off. In this instance, it's a deal w/ God. How can he go wrong? For example, here's a great quote:

"I believe that God wants me to be
president." — Richard Land, a Director
of the conservative evangelical Southern
Baptist Convention, quoting GWBush on
"the day was inaugurated for his
second term as governor in 1999."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/interviews/land.html

and in return:

"I, George W. Bush, Governor of Texas, do
hereby proclaim June 10, 2000, Jesus Day in
Texas and urge ... all Texans to answer the
call to serve those in need. By volunteering
their time, energy or resources to helping others,
adults and youngsters follow Christ's message
of love and service in thought and deed."
— GWBush, as Governor of TX, officially
proclaiming June 10, 2000, as
"JESUS DAY in TEXAS."
http://eskrae.tripod.com/bush_note.html

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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:45 PM
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40. and it continues all throughout . . .
his presidency . . . this appeasement and bargaining w/ God.

Scary crap that it is!! Because the main thrust of it is is that if God says it, then it never can be wrong! George cannot make mistakes. NEVER. Here's insight into this, first-hand (when GeorgeW is left unscripted for the unexpected from the press corps):



Where and how do rational people counter this? Only by voting him the hell out of office, period.



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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:56 PM
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41. Because Relying on Facts Won't Get Him What He Wants
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:57 PM
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42. I would like so much to get right up into W's face and say:
"Just what part of the Sermon on the Mount don't you get, ASSHOLE."

I mean it's an oxymoron to think Bush and spirituality in the same brain cavity.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 10:16 PM
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43. Bushes only God is money.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 10:23 PM
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44. WWCD
What Would Cthulhu Do?

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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:27 AM
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46. pure puff piece
George W Butcher's faith is in money and power.
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