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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 11:55 AM Original message |
Venezuela Voters Turn Out in Huge Numbers |
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WMliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. and we can't even get 50% turnout here |
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Sporadicus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Really Sad... |
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Alpharetta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. That's because Chavez is more distinct |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Hugo batles for the middle too. But in a country where 80% |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. That's because we don't have courageous leaders like Hugo Chavez |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 10:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
98. Take heart - I think this election will have a great |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. Viva Chavez! |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. One has to wonder who it is that says that he is imposing a Cuba-style |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Or it could be people who have family down there... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 01:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Oh come on. |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. I knew it was a mistake |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Yes it was - to post lies & your singular opinion as fact was a mistake. |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. WTF? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #61 |
89. Deleted message |
HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #89 |
104. Pardon me for not confirming your prejuduices. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. The switch from social injustice to social justice is disruptive |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Really? Tell us more about this scary man. |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I refuse to support a dictator |
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sal (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. hey man, I hear you.. |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
62. Another one. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. I'd like to understand how employees rape their bosses' daughters. |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Oh, my mistake. I was answering too much at once. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. This is getting harder to grasp. |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:17 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. When they say, "this is for not supporting Chavez" |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. They raped a surgeon's wife and daughter |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Bugger all this. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Real principles are involved. I don't blame thinking people for being |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Such a choice... |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. A "dictator" who got over 80% of the popular vote last time & who's |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. A dictator who devolves power to community political organizations? |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
63. A second term that his cronies rewrote the constitution to let him run for |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. A changed constitution approved by a popular vote. n/t |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
76. He got 59.5% of the vote. Don't hurt your credibility by misstating facts. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
90. Is this site accurate? |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:59 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. The correction was correct... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 10:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
99. Everytime I've read about the 1998 election, they've written "landslide." |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Just like "landslide bush*"! |
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ChocolateSaltyBalls (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-04 01:54 AM Response to Reply #30 |
108. There are 25 million people in the country........ |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Ummmm, attempting to empower the poor & disadvantaged,... |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 11:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
102. How can a growing economy |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Try this experiment. |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. Where are you getting this propaganda? |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. From my family (In Laws) who live there. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-04 01:39 AM Response to Reply #64 |
107. does your family belong to the poor majority or the wealthy minority? |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Well, I thought they were middle class professionals... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-18-04 02:18 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. You said the surgeon said his wife and daughter were raped |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-18-04 07:58 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Don't know. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
52. You mean like the coup ringleaders |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
57. If it is a crime to "speak out" against Chavez, |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Probably because.. |
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ninkasi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
5. After California's recall |
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SophieZ (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. REcall REdistrict but NO meaningful REcounts! |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
7. "sidelined the middle class and fueled tensions between rich and poor." |
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( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 01:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. You just pegged an irony that amuses me |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. My question is "What middle class?" |
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( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. point taken |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 03:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. People who only have their labor to sell. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Yeah, if the upper class tries a coup, you blame Chavez |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. Sounds a lot like our media |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. Yep, Referendum Is a "Lib/Progressive" Concept |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
12. Article lies: Chavez is NOT "centralizing power." In fact... |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
16. BBC |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
18. Kick for Chavez and his championing the poor and disaffected. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
24. Go Chavez Go |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
28. They banned exit polls |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. not a good idea |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
97. Letter to the Independent from Narcosphere |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
29. Here's the Guardian's coverage |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Does anybody know when the results start coming in? |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 05:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Polls don't close until 8 |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Polls won't close until midnight. They had to add four hours due |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. conflicting times, Venezuela's site says |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. The article I read said midnight: Greenwich Mean Time |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
36. Flying over the Venezuelan barrios won't explain how screwed the people |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
38. See this photo! Does that look like your polling place? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 05:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Great photo and article, too. Can you imagine pResident Bush that close |
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borat sagdiyev (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. that one picture's date |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. We'll have to guess which picture is the one you're referring to.... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 06:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Er, probably this one: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
71. Thanks for the tip. I had not looked at the dates, as I knew they all |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. I think most of those photos are from earlier Opposition demonstrations |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
80. Yep, you're right on target. |
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raifield (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. A lot of white there |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. speaking of NYT... |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
39. This statement doesn't make sense |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
40. Now this is what you call "DEMOCRACY"! |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
41. I'm praying for Chavez |
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The Blue Knight (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 05:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Go go Chavez! |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
56. Doesn't look good for Chavez according to Independent |
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Matilda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Oh, God, no. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. These would be the banned exit polls? |
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mountebank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Are you following this thread as well? |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:45 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Yes, just saw that and noticed this too |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. That could be a result of this hoax |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
73. Venezuelan Ex-Patriots Cast Ballots in San Francisco for Nation’s Recall E |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. 1 killed, 12 hurt as gunmen shoot at voters in Venezuela |
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snippyMcNippy (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Were these chavez thugs trying to retain his dictatorship? |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:26 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Maybe. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Would you be good enough to provide information explaining |
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snippyMcNippy (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Exactly |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. What "dictator"? Are you referring to the democratically elected |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 09:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. Hah. Circular argument if I ever saw one. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:48 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Why would Chávez have people try to scare the poor away from voting |
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Matilda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 08:44 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. Bastards. |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 09:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
93. From the Telegraph |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
92. the plot thickens |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 09:44 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Delay the Election.......Just what Bush wants to do here!!! |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
96. Venezuela's Barrio Voting Centers Overloaded with Voters |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. That's a great article. Loved the photos, as well. |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-15-04 11:57 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Look at these! |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. That's so cool. They couldn't look more concerned, either. |
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