Breaking - New Evidence Undermines Swift Vets Attack On Kerry!

David Corn has just uncovered the third guy who won a bronze the day that Kerry saved Rassmann. And the third guy, Lambert, wrote up that there was incoming fire, making Thurlow and the SwiftVets liars.

http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1692

Three Navy men won Bronze Stars for their actions that day: Kerry, Thurlow, and radarman first class Robert Eugene Lambert, a petty officer in the boat captained by Thurlow. The citation for Lambert's Bronze Star--previously undisclosed but obtained today under the Freedom of Information Act from the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis--repeats the description of the incident included in the citation for Thurlow's Bronze Star: "all units came under small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks." Lambert's citation also notes that Lambert--who assumed command of PCF-51 after Thurlow went to assist another Swift boat damaged by a mine--"directed accurate suppressing fire at the enemy." The citation praises Lambert's "coolness, professionalism and courage under fire."

Now the actual soldiers that fought and won medals in Nam are slimbags?

Save that shit for the draft dodgers and AWOL slimebags. Not the real soldiers.

start lying their asses off to smear the name of other actual soldiers that fought and won medals I think that qualifies them as slimebags. Just because you are a vet doesn't mean that you can't be a slimebag.

and the rest of the chickenhawks in the * admin

bout time people focussed on them

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks

Oliver North won tons of medals and he was a slimebag.

Same with O'Neill and the rest of these creeps.

What they did then is one matter. What they're doing now is another matter, entirely separate and beneath contempt.
John Kerry's telling the truth about what was happening in Vietnam was the act of an honorable American.
These fools telling lies for political purposes is thoroughly dishonorable and using the platform they're using to do it shames all vets.

By lying for mere political gain and possibly the promise of favors to be returned later, the SBVT people are willingly negating their own service to the country and by extension, their own right to be considered honorable people.

They once served honorably, there is no question about that. But honor is an accrual of one's entire life actions, and accolades given can also be eroded by later acts of betrayal. The evidence is quickly piling up to show that these people now care more about personal gain than the the country they served. They are the ones who are sacrificing their former service for political gain, even though that is the exact accusation they are making against Kerry.

As someone who never served maybe some people think it's not my place to question their actions, but I think they're endangering more lives and detracting from our freedom and our nation's reputation by willingly engaging in a dishonest smear job designed to deceive the electorate. From my point of view, they've cashed in whatever chips they earned. And now they're slimeballs, just like any other common guttersnipe who would betray his nation for a buck or a political point.

lying scumbags, does that sound better?

We hardly knew ye. Thankfully.

Let's see if ~this~ gets picked up

Now if only the mainstream media can get the truth out about Swift Boat Liars For Bush...

at the earliest opportunity. Forget the high versus the low road; we want to be on the winning road. Swiftie lies may not do damage to the DU constituency, but they resonate with Middle America.

This is NO time to get complacent. Maybe the Swift Boat Swifties' ads are having an effect, maybe they're not. But do we REALLY wanna wait around, or sit on our hands, and let this go unchallenged or uncontested? This is WAR! A war for the soul, and future, of our country! And I want my country BACK!!!

The reaction of the Kerry campaign has to be swift and sure. We can't allow doubt to creep into people's minds and sit there for a couple of days. The American public has a very short attention span.

Did Elliot rubberstamp this citation too or when was it given?

"Lambert, a career Navy man who served on active duty from 1957 to 1978, could not be located."

Will he appear at the eleventh hour?

David Corn does it again! This guy is Good! Thank you!

Would love to see Corn and O'Reilly go toe to toe.

O'Reilly won't debate with Franken after the last bout.

recently denounced the Swift Boat ads and said he agreed that Kerry served with valor.

..O'Reilly is finally learning some sense.

Wait, hell hath not frozen over quiet yet. My bad!

GO KERRY!

PCF- 51. Robert Eugene Lambert back's Kerry's info and shows Thurlow as either a liar or as mistaken.

Kerry told Bush if he wanted to debate Vietnam, "Bring it on". Bush may be finding out that Kerry is the wrong veteran to lie about.

While reading the article I urge everyone to check out his blog.

4 years!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400050677/qid%3D1060397145/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-6084602-4353769

EDIT: The table of contents is very appetizing!!! :bounce:

The book looks interesting. I find it interesting that Amazon's "if you like this book check out these links" section leads to the Shrub reelection site and the Repug store. Obviously, they don't understand that if someone likes "The Lies of Bush" that they are not going to want to shop at Repug central! I thought that was a hoot!

I think Thurlow'd better make peace with his ex-wife and get his literature back from her; he's got some 'splaining to do...

As soon as it was known that John O'Neill was involved, it was apparent what all the SBVT spluttering was really about: Kerry's VVAW activities. Okay, no big surprise there. Cue up the 30+ year old Dick Cavett videotapes....

But among the many things that amaze me about this destructive nonsense is that the group blew their wad on all this bitching and moaning over medals, allegations of self-inflicted wounds, huffin 'n puffery, and general tinfoil hatwearing when they knew that all the signed, dated, initialed, and copied-in-triplicate contemporaneous files were going to come out and reveal their "truth" as lies.

Unless of course they didn't know. Maybe they just assumed that strategically placed Bush facilitators had already scrubbed or altered key military records. Maybe that had been the plan, but Rove took a day off and everything went to hell.

uncovered. there is so much stuff to scrub that not even bush's connections and rove's direction can cover it all.

is exactly what I was thinking about when everyone was talking about their medals and citations and losing them and getting copies and mine says this and yours says that etc etc...

There is no reason for me to not suspect that the "powers that be" would scrub deleted misplace lose documents.... Good post :thumbsup:

Welcome to DU.

rope-a-dope with these fools. He pulled a classic prosecutor move, allowing them to break out of the herd as individuals, make the round of the talk shows...and give conflicting versions when their prompters were not around to keep the story straight. They went on for two weeks until even the media started to question their story. Then, JK lowered the boom. He's now hanging them on their own petard.

Best of all, with the obvious LIES exposed, Kerry's war record is once again scrutinized, found to be impressive and he gains in the equation. Bush, on the other hand, is seen promoting a group of liars which brings into question the honorable nature of his medal-less AWOL discharge.

I don't understand why people think Rove is a genius. They fuck up everything else. Why would they be brainiacs at running a campaign? They lost the last time and they're going down big time in '04.

It's a beautiful thing to watch, isn't it.

Oh, btw, a petard is a homemade hand grenade, but I get the picture.

Main Entry: pe·tard
Pronunciation: p&-'tär(d)
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from peter to break wind, from pet expulsion of intestinal gas, from Latin peditum, from neuter of peditus, past participle of pedere to break wind; akin to Greek bdein to break wind
1 : a case containing an explosive to break down a door or gate or breach a wall
2 : a firework that explodes with a loud report

Fart, Hand Grenade, same result.

:evilgrin: :nuke:

and to be hoist by said petard certainly illustrates the penchant for the dumbass * bunch's handling of virtually anything requiring sensitivity to explode in all our faces.

doesn't have quite the same... ummmmm... panache, y'know? :evilgrin:

As to the SwiftSmear Liars for Bush, perhaps you are correct. Perhaps everyone will learn all the facts and see the slugs for the corrupt and incompetent liars that they are. Perhaps then everyone will rally around Kerry and realize that Bush* is an AWOL loser.

Yeah, and perhaps I'll flap my arms and fly. People know Bush* lied about WMD and invaded a friggin' country. You think finding out he lied about this will damage him in the least?

Scene where Hamlet confronts Gertrude and kills the lurking Polonius, then sends the traitorous Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern to their deaths: 


HAMLET  There's letters seal'd: and my two schoolfellows,  
  Whom I will trust as I will adders fang'd,  
  They bear the mandate; they must sweep my way,  
  And marshal me to knavery. Let it work;  
  For 'tis the sport to have the engineer  
  Hoist with his own petard: and 't shall go hard  
  But I will delve one yard below their mines,  
  And blow them at the moon: O, 'tis most sweet,  
  When in one line two crafts directly meet.

Hamlet, Act III, Scene IV

:bounce:

Huge belly laugh!

Imagine that.

There are probably more people looking for him today than Bin Laden.

Everyone will want to get to him first, especialy Bush's people with their big bags of cash to try to pay him off to lie.

I hope Kerry has people on the hunt as well.

I imagine they already have Lambert's deposition as well as a solid case to present to the FEC. Bush has "misunderestimated" his opponent.

For over a week now, Kerry's had to waste valuable time refuting
allegations of cowardice that get crazier by the day.

Is this a plot to derail Kerry's campaign? Keep him on the back
foot, responding to these insane allegations, don't give him time to
bring up serious issues. It seems that Kerry isn't going to bring
up the AWOL question, so they're safe there, just keep him occupied
trying to prove these allegations false, and he won't have time to
talk about anything else.

I just can't believe what I'm seeing; Kerry's got to start firing
off some big salvos of his own and take the fight back to Bush.

They are side tracking the voters on Non issues as normal.

This is for the voter who doesn't debate politics based on issues. But on religus and moral issues. It gives them a bat and a focus. They will repeate the lies and ingore everything else.

It's not about Kerry, it's about the Voters. They know non-issues sales MORE write ups and air time then anything else. People love to gossip, etc.

They didn't expect a Democrat to turn the tables on them. Normaly, the Democrat just defends and not attacks like Kerry is starting to do. Even when they have the evidence to do so. So that is why I say "No they are not trying to get him off track." They don't expect him to do so. It's all about getting their base attacking US and keeping US from discussing what Kerry is saying.

This is for their base, to keep them together.

This is what worries me - all this emotionalism, not enough talking
about issues - especially the issues of Bush's failures, and they
are numerous, at home and abroad.

I want to see Kerry start hammering these points, but he's not being
allowed to. I feel his energies are being scattered, and he's not
focusing on the Bush persona.

Debate in bad faith forcing their opponent to spend time correcting them. Voters rapidly lose interest and leave before the substance of the debate is covered. Call it ADE - attention deficit exploitation.

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I've read your posts, and I have a question.... All the guys you served with were sterling characters - is that right?

I did 4 in the Corps, and I'm here to tell you some of the guys I served with were scumbags before the Marine Corps, while they were in the Corps, in Vietnam, and ever since. You must have served in SOME outfit! I never saw guys take heads, but I did see guys take teeth, and other guys pounded Marine collar emblems into the foreheads of VC. I did see guys have sex with waaaaay underage girls...consentual?... more or less. I did see guys shoot civilians ... more or less accidentally. I did see guys throw M-26's into underground family bunkers that we knew contained no VC. I saw guys booby-trap C-ration cans in civilian areas. I saw guys shoot buffalo that they knew were the only hope of a family trying to grow their food. And on and on.....

If you served on the ground in Vietnam and didn't see or do anything you were ashamed of.... well, you either have no shame, or you are one of a kind.

Everybody talks about My Lai, but how about Son Thang - the Marine My Lai?
How about the Tiger patrols? How about the Phoenix program? How about the use of Agent Orange... it's still killing, maiming, and causing birth defects.
Do a little research.

Killing enemy prisoners and taking "souvenirs" happened in Vietnam, as they have happened in wars since..... forever.

The not-so-swiftboat vets are scumbags because they denigrate the service of one of their brothers for political reasons. Their stories just aren't consistent with the written record, and they've changed their stories and their views of Kerry only since he looked like he could beat Bush.

Thurlow is a scumbag, O'Neal is a scumbag. All of those lying fucks are scumbags, and I've got the time in the shit to say so.

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And after you beat them up you jumped in your jaguar convertible and fought killer robots from the future driving a semi truck all at two hundred miles per hour. Yeah, that's the ticket.

All talk, no walk. My bet is that he never killed anything higher on the food chain than a chicken!

DemVet... if you show me yours, I'll show you mine. Unit, MOS, dates and location of service.....

I'll go first... Mike Co 3rd Bn 7th Marines. MOS 0331

So you're right. He was full of shit.

Fighter Squadron 21 Fighting Freelancers off USS Midway and USS Ranger

:hi:

P.S. I just phixed Phantoms, I didn't phly 'em...but hopefully in some small way that helped. :)

Just hit the alert on yo-yos like that guy and the moderators will take them out--they have the right tools for grave digging and tombstone raising!

Too very friggin wide awake nightmare damn true.

figures...

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and that Kerry wrote the report justifying the medal and forced his commanding officer and the US Navy to unfairly and undeservedly honor Lambert as part of his cynical plan to take over the world. And that Kerry secretly conspired to bring about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, started the Vietnam war, and forced Dubya to be inducted into the Guard. Kerry's bold Master Plan in fact also involved his taking Dubya's place to prevent Bush from getting his own medals which he surely would have earned in Vietnam, being the brave heroic leader that he is. In fact, the Master Plan involved frequent secret flights from Vietnam to Texas while Kerry had furloughs, where he would meet with George Bush and get him high on alcohol and cocaine, knowing that it would destroy his mind and prevent him from being able to carry on any debate in the eventual Presidential campaign that Kerry foresaw, contrived, and orchestrated from the very earliest days of his life.

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The media better go public and loud with the information that these Swiftboat Vets for Truth have been exposed as complete liars. Liars that bush refused to denounce.

when Kerry was shot.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=647881&mesg_id=647962

Let's see how the Corporate Whores respond to this.

Probably, just like they "cleared" poor Sandy Berger's name.

Shameless.

. . the Christmas in Cambodia '68 part of the story. Specifically, Kerry's response to that.

Just listened to "Right, Left and Center" on NPR. Ariana did a great job and outright called the RW dude on telling blatant lies. Every time I hear her on her feet I'm more impressed by how smart she is.

But the RW guy kept pulling the Cambodia thing out of his bag. It was the only place he could score any points.

It was obvious that he was well coached before the program was broadcast. Which makes me think that Rove has issued orders on this topic. i.e. the rest may be "he said - she said", but there is no proof that Kerry was in Cambodia so he must be a liar (like Gore).

I'd like to know how the Kerry folks are going to handle this. Couldn't find anything on his campaign website.