Second group claims UN bombing

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A shadowy group calling itself "Mohammed's Army" claimed the deadly suicide truck bombing of the UN headquarters in Baghdad this week, in a videotape aired on a Lebanese satellite channel.

"The operation against UN headquarters ... is the result of information gathered by the intelligence services of Mohammed's Army," the group said in a ten-minute video aired on Lebanon's LBCI channel.

In the video statement, which showed seven hooded and armed militants, the group hinted that Tuesday's bombing, which killed 23 people, including the top UN envoy to Iraq, Sergio Vieira de Mello, was aimed at US intelligence agents present in the UN headquarters at the time.

It also demanded US forces leave Iraq or face "lesson after lesson".

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/24/1061663653962.html

Unknown Lebanese Group. Sound familiar?

military had made offices in the UN w/o asking for their approval. The UN was not any too happy about this, but was caught between a rock and a hard place. If I recall this was all according to the man who formerly held the position of de Mello and interviewed by Amy Goodman on Democracy NOW!

The fact that more than one group claims responsibility makes me think it was a black bag operation by either the US or Israel to blame more attacks on Arabs. How the truck made it through OUR security, how fast we were to turn attention to an "inside job." this stinks to high heaven. The US administration lies so much one can not help but think of conspiracies.

this administration is full of thugs and goons who will do everything in their power to scare the American people out of their wits, and they will try to convince them that only bush* can save them. But I think the tide is turning against them, every so slowly, but it is turning.


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There was NO US security on the grounds to speak of. The UN refused it and the US is not eager to protect and welcome the UN presence, as our insecure little leader knows that the UN just wants their greedy little hands on our Iraq (whoa, I digress).

The point is the US did not provide security for the bombing site itself, and if you think roadblocks work, see Israel. They have control of an area a miniscule fraction of the size of Iraq, have much better troop numbers per square, and STILL STOP NEXT TO NO ATTACKS.


The failure here was not security in place at the time. THE FAILURE WAS THE LACK OF SECURITY. This is due to Bush not liking the UN, of ignoring its mandate, of the UN not fucking thinking, but the fact that the truck made it through a couple of scared to shit US teen GI's standing scattered throughout intersections all over the fucking desert does not prove anything!

I think that the possibility does exist for you black op conspiricy theory types, but in my opinion, some Iraqis make no distinction between types of infidel invaders occupying their land without their permission in their name. It would chafe me if Iraq were occupying our country in the name of our freedom, and like the Iraqis I too would very much appreciate a regime change.

Iraqis bombed the embassy to protest the UN turning their backs on the Iraqis by passing a shitty little resolution sort of endorsing the war, that Powell spent days begging for. They bombed it because they have no fucking power, water or electricity. Iraqis felt betrayed, as the whole of the international community was against the invasion, then they go and say it was ok. It pissed them off, and they made a savvy decision. They bombed the UN, knowing they will have a much thinner skin when it comes to UN folks dieing in masse, and would pull out and/or demand that any future force it puts there will be under its command, and the US would have to share power.

And as for the idea that every time multiple groups own something that it must mean the CIA did it, well that is just bull shit. What most folks cant grasp is that the people picking up arms over there are not part of anything other than being pissed off! The name of their group, how well organized it is, whatever is MEANINGLESS. In fact, I would argue that it is worse that we cannot identify our enemy anymore, as it is everyone.

This was sadly as savvy as it was tragic, and this is the language the people our president is killing feel they must speak in, for it is how they are spoken to.

yes that is why I asked the question that is what I speculate too.

In doing more searching I come to find a group by the same name came up during the jordanian bombing. Same name. So if the black bag people are trying to pull a fast one they had forgetten they pulled this same unknown group out of the hat August 9th

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Militants claiming association with a variety of Islamist groups vowed more attacks on US-led occupation troops in Iraq while condemning the car bomb blast outside the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad, in a video aired by Al-Arabiya satellite TV on Saturday.

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The hooded militants claimed to be associated with a variety of organizations called "White Flags," "Muslim Youth" and "Mohammed's Army."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/middleeast/view/46431/1/.html

"Armed Vanguards of Mohammed's Second Army"

"Mohammed's Army"

Mohammed's Army sounds to me like an abbreviated name for Armed Vanguards of Mohammed's Secondy Army.

I was not sure what was meant by that but that the Iraqi Islamic National Resistance Movement denied that they or any part of the Iraqi resistance could have been involved in, and condemned, the UN bombing, as Aidoneus reminded us in his post.

http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,7031991%255E703,00.html

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A previously unknown group claimed responsibility for the unprecedented suicide attack against the UN. The group, calling itself the Armed Vanguards of a Second Mohammed Army, pledged "to continue fighting every foreigner and to carry out similar operations" in a statement sent to the Dubai-based Al-Arabiya satellite channel.

the video was broadcast on Lebanese TV, several networks of which naturally have offices in Iraq.

This part of the article may be semi-interesting,
...The men were notably dressed in the uniforms of Saddam Hussein's Fedayeen, a militia loyal to the ousted Iraqi leader...

If true this does two things, the 2nd more notable but more subtle and likely lost; on the obvious front, it gives Rumsfeld and the chorus of cheerleaders ammo to regurgitate at their next opportunity, but in another sense it also takes away an important propaganda weapon when combined with another statement on this bombing. On the other hand--also on Arabic television, al-Arabiya if I recall correctly, a statement of the Iraqi Islamic National Resistance Movement denied that they or any part of the Iraqi resistance could have been involved in, and condemned, the UN bombing.

Taken at face value, between that IINRM statement and this newer statement on LBCI, there is revealed the distinct divisions and differences between the active movements and tendencies; on the one hand, the Iraqi anti-colonial resistance movement(s) fighting the US/UK occupiers, and distinctly so on the other hand the so-called "Saddam loyalists" that are the lightning rod for Rumsfeld's propaganda.

Given that it was revealed that the official Iraqi state-military was bought off before the "Coalition" stormed Baghdad, the possibility of cooperation between the proven-national traitors of the "regime loyalists" and the occupation forces is not out of the question. I don't wish to delve too deep into such a line of suspicion, but there would be clear motive:--this bombing will only send remaining UN forces into the lap of the Coalition Provisional Authority(CPA)/occupation forces, and curbing any potential independent streak of the UN would be top priority for the CPA. Using traitorous agents of the corrupt and bought off "old regime" would give some level of deniability to the real patrons and the only benefactors of the act.

Not that any of this will ever be noticed..

(on edit: this latest thread/story goes to confirm my concluding suspicion, not exactly so but in a general sense)--
BAGHDAD, Aug. 23 -- U.S.-led occupation authorities have begun a covert campaign to recruit and train agents with the once-dreaded Iraqi intelligence service to help identify resistance to American forces here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=80582
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37331-2003Aug23.html

the buzz word for me was "unknown group" I managed to then put Lebanese in there as it brought to mind something else. Thanks for making the point.

I agree it does give the Rummy et al a next opportunity. As we know all are looking for justification for another pre-emptive strike. Initially it seed that was Iran, and then Israel seemed to have pointed the finger at Syria just after the UN bombing. Article was here in LBN. (also Mofaz's plan if you read it also mentions Syria after the PA was sufficiently demolitioned which one could argue it is but for the militant resitance of the ... resistance terror tactics).

I remember the denial you mentions of the IINR.

Cooperation as you outline is not out of the question, as you note, as an inside collusion (inside meaning the US) was a plausible line of thought.

I find it interesting the washingtonpost article because one would think this recruitment would have already begun. Me thinks it is not a campaign that has been just started.

it is the kind of thing that falls into the unknowable category. But buzz word help to trigger covert op hobbiests (as well as black ops) both are clearly evident. There must be intelligence collusion on this as well (OSP and rump unit), but as you say... not that any of this will ever be noticed...

On edit: This part of the article may be semi-interesting,
...The men were notably dressed in the uniforms of Saddam Hussein's Fedayeen, a militia loyal to the ousted Iraqi leader...

I agree on that as well they might just be leading the readers attention of track in an attempt to keep it on the up and up or at least have us believe all is on the up and up.

Interesting the only reason I looked for the original post was because on ABC news today it was reported that an "unknown" group had claimed responsibility for the UN bombing now I find this.

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TIKRIT, Aug 10 (AFP) - The US military Sunday chided a newly surfaced militant group for choosing the name "Mohammed's Army," saying it was contemptible to invoke Islam's prophet in their battle against the forces occupying Iraq.

http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/cj/Qiraq-us-jordan-attacks.Rqlg_DaA.html

googles on search Mohammed's Army:

(from below googles list this: http://www.jewishpeople.net/judandkabinp.html is an interesting bit of trivia)

http://www.google.com/search?q=Mohammed%27s+Army&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0

Other articles on Mohammed's Army

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=73115&list=/home.php&

I do not understand why they are referred to as unknown. Word of them goes back to the Jordanian Embassy bombing (is this the same group as referred to in my original post? and the first article I place up top of this post suggests the US had knowledge of them. Why are they being referred to as "unknown"?)AUGUST 9TH:

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Militants claiming association with a variety of Islamist groups vowed more attacks on US-led occupation troops in Iraq while condemning the car bomb blast outside the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad, in a video aired by Al-Arabiya satellite TV on Saturday.

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The hooded militants claimed to be associated with a variety of organizations called "White Flags," "Muslim Youth" and "Mohammed's Army."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/middleeast/view/46431/1/.html

Is there a chance this Mohammed's Army could be disinformation OR are they so stupid they forgot they pulled this "Mohammed's Army" out of the hat for the Jordanian bombing as well? One would think with the Jordanian bombing the US would placed MORE security at the UN in Bagdad. No? I also find it interesting the name of the group in light of this bit of historic trivia. Strikes me as very stagey. No?.: http://www.jewishpeople.net/judandkabinp.html