LATimes: Times Poll Shows Bustamante Leads Schwarzenegger in Recall Race

here is the latest info (dated 8-23 at 8:58 PST) on that poll showing Bustamante leading Arnie.

link, registration needed: <http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/recall/la-me-poll24aug24,1,7382768.story?coll=la-home-headlines>

"Much of his campaign strategy is based on his cross-over appeal to non-Republican voters, given his comparatively moderate positions on issues such as gun control, abortion and gay rights. But less than two weeks into his first run for elected office, Schwarzenegger has already become a politically polarizing figure.

Roughly seven in 10 likely Democratic voters have an unfavorable impression of the action-movie star, while the same number of likely Republican voters expressed a favorable view.

The actor won the support of 39% of likely Republican voters, 20% of independents and 7% of Democrats polled. McClintock received 21% of the Republican vote, Simon received 12% and Ueberroth 10%."



The Dems are more united on this vote then the repukes are, which is great news for us.

...what if Bustamante becomes the next Gov of a big, important state? He'll go around rallying Hispanic Dems in NM, AZ, MI, FL, and a dozen other crucial states. It'll be a big problem for Republicans.

I wonder if Republicans will take extreme measures to prevent this?

They'd probably prefer it if Davis remained governor.

SWIPE! s w i p e! Let those black boxes roll for Arnoll!

And that's not your ATM card we're talking about.

I remember back in 1968, how Poppy Bush brought in their specialist, Sirhan Sirhan, all the way from Saudi Arabia, to asassinate the Democratic Presidental frontrunner, RFK, installing Richard Nixon into the Presidency.

However, since then, a bullet to the back of the head has become a method of asassination too obvious for the powerful Bush family.

Mr. Bustamonti, if he values his life, should stay off small planes. That way, the Bush mafia won't be able to sabatoge the steering of Bustamonti's airplane, the way they did when they killed those Senators from Minnesota and Missouri, in successive elections, which gave Bush's Republicans control of the US Senate.

Of course Bush operatives have just about used that freak-airplane-steering-malfunction trick up, after sabotaging the steering controls of JFK Jr's airplane, and of course, likewise sabotoging Secretary Ron Brown's planeload of big Democratic contributors which, as we should remember, for no apparent reason, flew into a mountainside in Bosnia killing all on board.

I can't wait to read the next Republican-commissioned book, probably explaining how these fly-crazy Democrats all killed themselves. Has anyone noticed how the Bush mob always comes out with these smear books after they kill one of us. They just smeared JFK Jr. in one book, and smeared the entire Kennedy family in another revisionist historical hackjob. Perhaps the Republicans can make a Bustamonti-smear sequel to their newest book-o-lies which blames JFK's asassination on LBJ.

Simon dropped out partially because he was only at 6%, while McClintock is at 12%. If most of Simon's voter go to McClintock, that makes McClintock very close to Arnold and it is not impossible that McClintock could eventually overtake Arnold in this race.

Only 39% of union members say they support Cruz, we need to work on this and explain the GOP plan to destroy unions in California. There is plenty of room for Cruz to pick up votes with union members.

At one point they were saying Arnold was beating Cruz with latinos. This poll shows Cruz has over 50% of the latino vote and McClintock is in second with only 13%, followed by Arnold. This might tell us that Arnold's support of 187 has hurt him very badly already.

Over 70% of likely voters said that they are not more likely to vote because Arnold is in the race - close to the same number who said they aren't more likely to vote because Cruz is in the race. This was not the early prediction. The media was so excited about all the new people Arnold would bring out to the polls. Apparently, they were wrong.

There is a lot of good news in this poll for Democrats.

The only major problem we have is if McClintock drops out the race. I'm not sure why he would when it looks like he's very close to catching Arnold, but the right wing has ways of making things happen.

they will go for Bustamante. And I knew my fellow Latinos would not desert Bustamante, even for Arnie. That just shows how stupid the media is in saying the Latino vote would go to Arnie.

This poll is very good news for Dems in California. They have not fallen for all this media circus.

to not drop out!!! He has been VERY, VERY critical of Arnie and he (McClintock) wants to be the next governor and will not do as the White House says!

Had he not thrown his hat into the ring while the Democratic "leadership" was urging a united front that amounted to a suicide pact, the Democrats would be looking at a desparate situation.

Even if Davis goes down, if the Republicans fail to capture the governor's office, they will have wasted their time and money. It appears they are on their way to wasting their time and money.

Suck on it, Turd Blossom.

As for the Democratic leadership, perhaps it wouldn't be a bad thing should Bustamante become governor of California if McAullife step down and Bustamante name his replacement. Of course, if Davis is recalled and Schwartzenegger or McClintock becomes governor of California, McAuliffe should step down and not be allowed to come anywhere near a leadrship position again.

If Bustamante had acted like he was defending Davis's honor, he would have run the risk of turning off all the people who were showing up to vote against Davis.

If you thought that the only people who were energized enough to vote were people who hated Davis, you'd have no chance of winning the second part of the ballot by aligning yourself with Davis. You'd have to pretend you were running against Davis.

Bustamante has been extremely adept at running the fine line between supporting and contrasting with Davis. It has been masterful.

I am pleasently surprised with Bustamate's adeptness. He has handled this very well. Schwarzenegger has given him a bit of an assist by refusing to ber specific while the voters appear to want specifics. This contrasts with Bustamante's courage in leveling with the voters: there will be tax hikes and budget cuts which will be painful for everyone.

Feinstein's performance in the recall saga has been very disappointing. The situation cried out for her to lead; she failed at every turn.

Those who say they support Schwartzenegger contain an unusually large proportion of people who habitually pay little or no attention to politics. No matter what they say they will do today, they are not too likely to break their routine and actually show up at a polling booth. Hence Schwartzenegger's reported strength contains at all times a degree of overstatement.

In the end, Schwarzenegger could fall behind the doctrinaire rightwinger McClintock. On the other hand, the GOP needs to get a grip on reality. A far right Republican cannot win statewide office in California.

I'll make this prediction today: No matter who the Democrats nominate in 2004, that candidate will carry California.

No that I don't trust our politicians to count accurately.

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(sorry no link) :eyes:

that had the NO to RECALL at 46%, Yes to Recall at 49%

GOPers are starting to get into trouble with the recall bushit, perhaps this is why Simon dropped out or rather pushed out

A good punch in an "elephant's eye" would be for the recall to be defeated, a punch in the "elephant's trunk" would be for Bustamante to win...

Watching Washington Journal, junior & his administration is getting slammed by the folks who call in.

and I have to say, with almost complete objectivity, that it's BAD for Arnold.

He looks like a fish out of water, he seems oddly desperate, and the accent just doesn't work for a politician talking about the great state of California.

Also he mustn't have brought his usual hair people, it looks like he's got a toupee or hair plugs.

I think a lot of people who may have thought "cool! Arnold as governor" will see this ad and go "wait a minute. What a dumb idea"

Bottom line is he looks like an actor playing a "terrible actor making a campaign commercial". It's just plain weird.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=82118

Originally posted by The Magistrate:
It must be clear to the greatest number of the people of California this 'recall' is nothing but another of the various coup attempts by Republican reactionaries, aimed at overthrowing the result of elections they cannot win because their policies and attitudes are not supported by a majority of the people in this country. Unable to win at the polls, they have opted for a policy of extra-legal attempts to seize power the people have refused to entrust them with.
And if we're at 45% against the recall now, there's no reason why we can't be past 50% by October 7th. If the Republicans were sincere, they would have put up a "real" candidate--common sense, if nothing else, dictates that if Davis is doing such a terrible job, the last thing he should be replaced with is a complete novice.

Originally posted by Ribofunk:
Bustamente may have won it last week with his speech on his plans for closing the defecit. It was very specific and very passionate...People questioned...(its)...timing...But Bustamente had clear mastery of his material, and made Arnold look like a piker.
I wasn't one of the questioners, though I'm willing to admit that I might have if had this been a "regular" election. I thought it made him look very much in command ina time of crisis, and again, I think most of the voters now have enough common sense to realize that there's no way to solve budget problems by taking in less money than you're spending.


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