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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 03:49 PM
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Police shock sniper suspect at hospital(stun belt for not wanting tests)
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-snipe24.html

A sheriff's deputy shocked sniper suspect John Allen Muhammad with a stun belt after he refused to participate in medical tests at a hospital, his attorney said.

Muhammad was taken by sheriff's deputies and guards from jail around noon Friday to undergo a court-ordered MRI and an electroencephalogram, which monitors brain waves.

But Jonathan Shapiro, one of Muhammad's attorneys, told the Washington Post that hospital staff also wanted to X-ray the suspect's head before the MRI. Muhammad had not expected the X-ray and did not want to speak to sheriff's officials without his attorneys present, so he refused the test, Shapiro said.

He resisted by moving his head from side to side and trying to sit up, and the deputy sheriff stunned him, Shapiro said.

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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 03:57 PM
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1. What, providers don't trust VA med records?
Edited on Sun Aug-24-03 03:59 PM by InkAddict
Did they really need an x-ray to tell if he had a screw loose? Will this botch up the case, and send Mohammed on a NEW MISSION abroad for yet another "my folks got no time for me" JUVENILE handler?

Please note: blanket informed consent is illegal. When will the enforcers follow the rules?
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 04:01 PM
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2. This bothers me
Doesn't he still have a right to refuse something that isn't court ordered? Doesn't he still have the right to consult his attorney?

I don't know, this just bothers me.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 04:41 PM
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5. Bet his victims families....
wish their loved ones could be here to get
medical attention. Bet they would have
settled for a zap versus a bullet.

I understand what you are saying and part
of me agrees with you, but another part
says zap the creep some more!
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 05:03 PM
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6. WTF are you talking about?
His victim's? It says he's a SUSPECT. They haven't convicted anyone yet, yet you seem to think that this person did the shootings. You have some info about this guy and the shootings that the police don't?

Zap the creep some more, when they haven't even CHARGED him with anything? Sounds like something a vengeful Freeper would say.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 09:34 PM
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12. I owe an apology
I thought this was a suspect in the current sniper case going on, not the shooter from last year who was pretty much captured red-handed. As such, you were right. Sorry for flying off the handle there.

But I must ask, what kind of world do we live in where there are enough sniper shootings to get them confused with one another?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 07:19 PM
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10. It should.
He was cooperating with what he expected, wasn't he?

As tempting as it is to give the guy a zetz from time to time, it's a no no.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 03:30 AM
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15. I'm thinking....
that the X-ray was viewed as a prerequisite for the court-ordered MRI. Sometimes if there are indicia of trauma at the area that is to receive the MRI, they'll X-ray it to make sure there is no ferrous metal in the area, as to give somebody a MRI if they have metal splinters (like shrapnel) would quite possibly cause their death due to the exceedingly strong magnetic forces used literally ripping the metal from their body.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 04:12 PM
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3. WTF
is an MRI needed for?
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lfairban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 04:27 PM
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4. Magnetic Resonance Imaging.
Edited on Sun Aug-24-03 04:33 PM by lfairban
If you are familiar with NMR, Nuclear Magnetic Imaging, combine it with the scanning used with X-rays to make a CAT scan. If you are not familiar, think of the Tri-Quarter that Dr. McCoy used in Star Trek to "see" inside people without opening them up.

My first experience with MRI was when I had a lower back problem. The vertebrates were not fractured, but there was a bulge or herniation in one of the Disks, which are a bit like rubber spacers between vertebrates. The bulge pushed the spinal cord against the vertebrate, causing pain and partial paralysis. An X-ray would have shown nothing, as the problem was with soft tissue. On an MRI, I could see the Disk herniation. It was like the drawing in the medical article I had read on the problem, except it was on a black and white film. Actually, they print the pictures on double page size X-ray film because that is what the Doctors are used to reading, but all the output from the machine goes directly into a computer. It really makes more sense to display on a computer screen. You can display cross sections of any point in any direction, and have the computer color different things different colors, etc. This is a Doctor's dream.

In his case, they might be looking for structural evidence of brain dysfunction. It might also be able to tell them a lot about brain chemistry. (just my speculation)
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lfairban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 01:35 AM
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13. Correction: NMR= Nuclear Magnetic Resonence
n/t
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 06:33 PM
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7. Do as I say you fool
or I will torture you some more,ZAP-ZAP.

We are becoming a nation of TV cartoons.

Sure the guy may be bad, but he sure is not going any place.

The bad guy in this cartoon clip is the Cop.

180

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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 06:38 PM
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8. America .. literally going to the dogs .. tsk tsk
What will have to happen before we pull ourselves out of this animal instinct phase?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 06:57 PM
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9. We are the only industrialized country that still executes people. What
did you expect?

The cop should be busted and made to endure electric shock
as punishment for violating humanity and civil rights.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 07:30 PM
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11. I take it none of y'all live in the DC area
I'm considor myself pretty anti-death penalty and prisoner rights. There are VERY few people who deserve the death penalty or a solitary cell or as in this case, a zap with electricty. John Muhammad is one of the few.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 02:28 AM
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14. of course
You mean once he's convicted, right?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 04:17 AM
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16. or since he already confessed..
i have no mercy for this man or malvo. Sorry if that means i have to split from the rest of you. I had to piss my pants everytime my car needed gas.Nobody should have to live in that kind of fear for 2 months.
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