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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:33 PM
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Powell rules out U.S. troops in Sudan
But Rice says U.S. may help expand African force in DarfurNBC News and news services

Updated: 3:48 p.m. ET Sept. 12, 2004WASHINGTON - Secretary of State

Colin Powell ruled out the introduction of U.S. troops in the beleagured Darfur region of Sudan, saying the United States would pursue a strategy of pressuring the Sudanese government “very hard” in the U.N. Security Council to end the campaign of violence.


But national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said on Sunday that the United States and other nations are prepared to help move an expanded African peacekeeping force into position in Sudan’s Darfur region to halt bloodshed that President Bush has declared amounts to genocide.

Powell, on NBC's “Meet the Press,” told moderator Tim Russert that U.S. ground forces were not “a possibility at this time. In fact, there's not a need to. I don't think it's the right solution, and no European troops are prepared to go in. The African Union has sent in a small number of troops, but they've indicated a willingness to send in a much larger number of troops, in the thousands. And so the strategy we're following now is to press the Sudanese very hard in the Security Council.”

“It is our desire to work with the Sudanese government to complete the important work we have done in the North-South agreement, and to bring Darfur under control so that we can help the Sudanese people to a better life, to peace after so many years of war,” Powell said Sunday.
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5981511/
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:35 PM
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1. So much for the notion of going to Iraq to stop genocide and killing.
If we aren't willing to do that in Sudan when it's actively happening, then why Iraq?

I think we already know the answer to that.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:36 PM
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2. Why worry about actual ongoing mass murder
when your bosses want to keep options available for more preemptive strikes justified by trumped up intelligence.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:44 PM
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3. If Sudan had oil, the story would be very different n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:47 PM
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4. Sudan: Oil Companies Complicit in Rights Abuses
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 05:50 PM by seemslikeadream
"Oil companies operating in Sudan were aware of the killing, bombing, and looting that took place in the south, all in the name of opening up the oilfields," said Rone. "These facts were repeatedly brought to their attention in public and private meetings, but they continued to operate and make a profit as the devastation went on."

Conditions for civilians in the oilfields actually worsened when the Canadian company Talisman Energy Inc. and the Swedish company Lundin Oil AB were lead partners in two concessions in southern Sudan. Amid mounting pressure from rights groups, Talisman sold its interest in its Sudanese concessions in late 2002, and Lundin followed in June.

These Western-based corporations were replaced by the state-owned oil companies of China and Malaysia- CNPC, or China National Petroleum Corp., and Petronas, or Petrolium Nasional Berhad-which had already been partners with Talisman and Lundin. Following CNPC and Petronas, a third state-owned Asian oil company, India's ONGC Videsh Ltd., began operations in Sudan.

Statistics from the Sudanese government and the oil companies show how the major share (60 percent) of the US$580 million received in oil revenue by this poverty-stricken country in 2001 was absorbed by its military, both for foreign weapons purchases and for the development of a domestic arms industry.
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/11/sudan112503.htm


In the oilfields of Sudan, civilians are being killed and raped, their villages burnt to the ground. They are caught in a war for oil, part of the wider civil war between northern and southern Sudan that has been waged for decades. Since large-scale production began two years ago, oil has moved the war into a new league. Across the oil-rich regions of Sudan, the government is pursuing a 'scorched earth' policy to clear the land of civilians and to make way for the exploration and exploitation of oil by foreign oil companies.

This Christian Aid report, The scorched earth, shows how the presence of international oil companies is fuelling the war. Companies from Asia and the West, including the UK, have helped build Sudan's oil industry, offering finance, technological expertise and supplies, to create a strong and growing oil industry in the centre of the country. In the name of oil, government forces and government-supported militias are emptying the land of civilians, killing and displacing hundreds of thousands of southern Sudanese. Oil industry infrastructure - the same roads and airstrips which serve the companies - is used by the army as part of the war. In
retaliation, opposition forces have attacked government-controlled towns and villages, causing further death and displacement.

Exports of Sudan's estimated reserves of two billion barrels of oil are paying for the build-up of a Sudanese homegrown arms industry as well as paying for more arms imports. Without oil, the civil war being fought between the government of Sudan and the main opposition force, the Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) is at a stalemate; with oil, it can only escalate.

The Sudanese government itself now admits that oil is funding the wider civil war. 'Sudan will be capable of producing all the weapons it needs thanks to the growing oil industry,' announced General Mohamed Yassin just eleven months after the oil began flowing out of the new pipeline into the supertankers at the Red Sea port. The government now earns roughly US$1 million a day from oil - equivalent to the US$1 million it spends daily fighting the war. The equation is simple, the consequences devastating.
http://www.christian-aid.org.uk/indepth/0103suda/sudano...

Oil linked to Sudan abuses


Civil war continues in the oil-producing area

The British charity Christian Aid has called on foreign oil companies involved in Sudan to pull out because of what it calls the government's systematic policy of depopulating oil-rich areas.


A strong signal needs to be sent to the government of Sudan, and the companies have major leverage

Mark Curtis
Christian Aid
In a report published on Thursday, it says Sudan's oil exports, which began nearly two years ago, have fuelled the civil war which has already claimed two million lives.

The report says Sudanese Government troops, and militias allied to them, have killed or terrorised tens of thousands of civilians into leaving their homes to make way for foreign oil companies to explore and extract the new reserves.

Christian Aid's policy director, Mark Curtis, told the BBC that the companies needed to use their influence to send a strong signal to the Sudanese Government.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1221618.stm


Sudan, Oil, and African Muslim vs. African Muslim


Southern Darfur, like southern Sudan, is rich in oil. The Chinese National Petroleum Corporation holds the large oil concession in southern Darfur. Chinese soldiers are alleged to be protecting Chinese oil interests.

It is also alleged that the rebels in southern Darfur are getting weapons from outside Sudan. "UN observers say they have better weapons than the Sudanese army, and are receiving supplies by air," according to Crescent International (UK).

The government of Sudan, after agreeing with UN Secretary General Kofi Anan to a 90-day period to end the conflict, was given 30 days under a UN resolution pushed through by the U.S. and Britain.

Sudan, largely undeveloped, and barely emerging from colonial oppression, has been given a virtually impossible task of pacifying an area the size of France. This may be the pretext for yet another U.S.-British intervention for oil
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http://www.twf.org/News/Y2004/0807-Darfur.html

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:59 PM
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6. Pardon my ignorance
I guess our INaction is because of oil.
I hate this world.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:10 PM
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7. It's not a lot of oil, but it's oil.
We are fighting over scraps now.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:10 PM
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8. And even more "Alice in Wonderland"

is the VERY strong suspicion that the militias operating in
Southern Sudan, the ones DOING the genocide, are, in fact,
members of Al Qaieda! So if we want to go to war against
terrorists, and nation states that sponsor terrorists, Sudan
would be high on the list, right?

Or maybe not.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 05:49 PM
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5. does powell hate freedom?
we're liberators!
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:12 PM
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9. “CROSSING THE RUBICON.”
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/

THE 9/11 ATTACKS WERE THE RESULT OF DELIBERATE PLANNING AND
ORCHESTRATED EFFORTS BY IDENTIFIABLE LEADERS WITHIN THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT, AND THE ENERGY AND FINANCIAL SECTORS, TO SEE A
PEARL HARBOR-LIKE ATTACK WHICH WOULD PROVIDE THE AMERICAN
EMPIRE WITH A PRETEXT FOR WAR, INVASION AND THE SEQUENTIAL
CONFISCATION OF OIL AND NATURAL GAS RESERVES, OR THE KEY
TRANSPORTATION ROUTES THROUGH WHICH THEY PASS. 9-11 WAS A
PREMEDITATED MURDER AND IN MY BOOK, AND HERE TONIGHT, I WILL
NAME SOME OF THE SUSPECTS WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME. IN MY
BOOK I WILL SHOW YOU OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF THEIR GUILT
WHICH I WOULD BE PROUD AND CONFIDENT TO PLACE EITHER BEFORE
A DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR A JURY.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf

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ssimmons Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:14 PM
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10. Why doesn't France, Germany and other not send their troops to handle it?
I'd say it's their turn to save someone. Why is the US always expected to save the day?
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:19 PM
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12. Because We Are THE Superpower And Have Also Annoited...
ourselves "Police State Of The World".

Jay
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ssimmons Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:23 PM
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13. The other UN members can handle this one
Our plate is full. Sudan does not require smart bombs or jets. People on the ground need to go in and take out the murderers and bring law back to the land. The US is not needed here except to approve it.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:27 PM
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14. What People Can Do And What They Will Do Are Two Very Different Things. NT
Jay
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:42 PM
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15. Our plate is full.
You better believe it, thanks to the ineptiude of the current administration. Our infantry line companies are down to two platoons in many brigades, thanks to Rumsfeld's destruction of military morale and retention. By engaging in a needless occupation of a country that did not attack us, Bush has squandered our military resources, which should be dedicated to actual pressing security missions.
Bin Laden may very well be in Sudan or Somalia, but we have no troops to commit to finding that "irrelevant" person. You bet our plate is full and it's full of a steaming pile of IRAQNAM. Thanks Bush, for decreasing our national security in your quest to conquer the Middle East.

INFANTRY VET.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:16 PM
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11. Excuse me but didn't Sudan once shelter Osama Bin Laden?
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 07:29 PM by Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
That country's ties to Al Qaida are more direct than anything Iraq had.
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