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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:50 PM
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Bush ad assails Kerry on health care (new tv ad)
Bush ad assails Kerry on health care,
Democrats launch ad campaign aimed at blacks

LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
Monday, September 13, 2004


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(09-13) 11:50 PDT (AP) --

President Bush criticizes the "liberals in Congress" and Democratic Sen. John Kerry, arguing that they want "a government-run" health care plan in a new television ad the campaign rolled out Monday.

"Big government in charge. Not you. Not your doctor," the Bush-Cheney campaign claims in the commercial set to air in 17 battleground states beginning Tuesday.

While Bush leads his Democratic rival in polls on the issue of national security, the Republican incumbent has trailed Kerry on domestic issues, including health care. The release of the latest commercial came on the same day Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney criticized Kerry on health care in separate campaign appearances in Michigan and Iowa.

"President Bush and our leaders in Congress have a practical plan: Allow small businesses to join together to get lower insurance rates big companies get. Stop frivolous lawsuits against doctors. Health coverage you can take with you," the ad says.

Then, it continues: "The liberals in Congress and Kerry's plan: Washington bureaucrats in control. A government-run health care plan. 1.5 trillion dollar price tag."

more...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/09/13/politics1450EDT0573.DTL

those darn liberals.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:52 PM
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1. Versus an insurance company scam system costing....
people their homes, their retirements and eventually their health because they're worried sick about the bill collectors.
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freedom_to_read Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:52 PM
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2. yeah those darn librals in congress holding up healthcare reform
with their iron-fisted control of the House and Senate ... er, ummm...

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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:52 PM
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3. The repugs are in charge of all branches of governing, if they can't
pass their own laws, then they must REALLY be BAD ideas!
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:58 PM
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9. Word.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 03:19 PM
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15. They are in fact REALLY BAD ideas
They are just there to maintain the status quo for the medical/drug/insurance lobby.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:53 PM
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4. Are they going to drag out "Barney & Betty" or whoever those
two nincompoops in that commercial they used to discredit and lie about Hillary's health care plan 10 years ago?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:53 PM
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5. It's not like insurance costs have increased under Bush or anything.
Or like millions have lost their health care benefits in the past year.

What a load of shit.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:54 PM
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6. NPR sort of debunked the Bush ad this morning
I could hardly believe my ears.

go here:http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.php?prgDate=13-Sep-2004&prgId=3

scroll almost all the way down to this:

Bush, Kerry Debate Medicare Price Hike

An increase in Medicare premiums announced this month is raising the issue's profile on the 2004 campaign trail. NPR's Julie Rovner assesses both major party presidential candidates' claims about Medicare.

and take a listen.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:58 PM
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8. Yeah but a few people might actually believe them
are there any outright lies in this ad?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 03:17 PM
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14. Wow!!! We need a flyer with that info that we can take to senior centers
assisted living establishments, and geriatric doctors offices parking lots. It could work two fold. Explaining how Bush has misled them on the Medicare issues and further, his portrayal of Kerry's positions/votes, but would also open the dialog about other ways that Bush has misled them on other issues. Issues that might not effect them as directly as it will their children and grandchildren.

We must win this election and if it takes doing it one vote at a time, one family at a time, one town at a time, then so be it.

Great find Beaverhausen! Thanks for sharing that!!!
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 03:26 PM
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18. here's a flyer- and a fact sheet and more
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:56 PM
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7. President: Republican, Congress: Republican
They've had four years and have done nothing and costs have skyrocketed and more people are uninsured. End of story.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 03:01 PM
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10. Bush is co-opting the health issue? You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Three words for Kerry's rebuttal: MEDICARE BILL FIASCO.

It's a multi-billion dollar giveaway for the drug companies, it doesn't save money for the patients, and it took bribery, extortion, and egregious violations of House parliamentary rules to get it passed through Congress.

Bring it the fuck on, George. You want to talk about health care? Let's talk health care.

-MR
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 03:06 PM
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12. Edwards had a pretty good reply.
from another article....

snip...
At an outdoor town hall meeting in battleground New Mexico on Monday, Edwards noted that Bush was giving a health care speech the same day. "I hear it's a short speech," Edwards quipped as the audience roared. "The best I can tell, his health care plan is pray you don't get sick."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/09/13/politics1406EDT0558.DTL
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 03:03 PM
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11. We need more with keywords "right-wing corporatists" on the waves!!!!
Edited on Mon Sep-13-04 03:03 PM by Just Me
On edit

Or the keywords "neoconservative corporatists".
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 03:13 PM
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13. Corporatists = 4 syllables: far too many for the typical freeper... eom
eom
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 03:20 PM
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16. Allow small businesses to join together
A cold day in hell when this can be coordinated. Anyway, old people don't work for any businesses, so this isn't going to help them. It would take much much more than this rw talk radio sound bite to fix this problem.


There is no proof that "frivolous law suits" even exist, much less are driving up costs. This is simply a welfare queen legend being proffered by the rw.

More election year shit promises from gw asshole.

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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 03:21 PM
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17. Counter Ad: Unless You Are Rich,
you or your doctor are not in charge now either. What planet is Georgie living on?


Jay
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 04:05 PM
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19. Excuse me? My health care plan is not run by me now!
1st, it is controlled by my employer who decides what health care plan I receive... I couldn't AFFORD it if it weren't for my employer providing it.

2nd it isn't run by my doctor who must bend to the wishes of the Almighty HMO, which incidentally let me remain in PAIN for over a year while he ran me through the specified hoops of the HMO before finally arranging to let me be seen by the doctors at Johns Hopkins University Hospital, where my condition was diagnosed and corrected in ONE DAY....

Canadians and many European countries PROVIDE healthcare for their citizens because they see it as a HUMAN RIGHT that furthers their society andn it is in the interests of a sound society to have healthy citizens.

Now, what are you saying again, Smirky?
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