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Thurston Howell IV Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 06:11 PM
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'Human' Hitler disturbs Germans
Adolf Hitler shuffles around the tightly-packed briefing room, screaming at his generals that they are cowards, traitors, and scum.
"You studied for years at military academy - just to learn how to hold a knife and fork!" he rages, his hand shaking with Parkinson's disease.

This scene from The Downfall, the new German film on Hitler's last days in the bunker, shows Hitler as one might expect him.

But the film, on show across Germany from Thursday, has sparked controversy by also presenting another view of Hitler - a human one.

We see him showing tenderness to his secretary, and receiving a chocolate birthday cake from his mistress, and later wife, Eva Braun.

"He is a human being, not a psychopath. It is true that he was charming. He had his soft spots," said screenplay writer Bernd Eichinger.

"This is what makes the whole thing so dangerous, because there's an animal in all of us - that's the message of the movie," he added.

It is a message that has not gone down well with some sections of the German press.

"Should a monster be portrayed as a human being?" asked the tabloid newspaper Bild recently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3663044.stm


FYI: I think Hitler was a psychopath and a human being.
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fdr_hst_fan Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 06:13 PM
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1. You're assessment is, unfortunately, correct;
Edited on Thu Sep-16-04 06:14 PM by fdr_hst_fan
HE WAS BOTH!
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 06:14 PM
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2. some day HUMAN CHIMP will disturb Amreikans
'cause he was neither !
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 06:17 PM
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3. Can't really comment yet
Edited on Thu Sep-16-04 06:27 PM by Kellanved
I will watch the movie this weekend. However the critics claim that it is very well done and far from glorifying .

FWIW: the Psychopath part is quoted out of context. Eichinger meant to say "not just a Psychopath", but "also a human being".


Edit: Homepage (with Trailer) : http://www.untergang.film.de/

2nd Edit:
Personally I don't think that it is a taboo broken. Germans needs to be able to speak and think about their country's past. Assuming that Hitler was not a human implies that there never can be another - this however is a very dangerous basis of thinking, especially but not exclusively so in Germany.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 06:22 PM
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4. Awww, ain't that sweet?
Hitler was a compassionate conservative.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 06:23 PM
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5. This is "Springtime for Hitler" without the songs . . .
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sr_pacifica Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 06:40 PM
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6. Psychopath and human and a monster
all three and one of the problems with this country is that it can't face up to its own "dark" side. One reason the Bush gang is dangerous. Evil is always "out there." And why, instead of lauding Kerry's protest of the Vietnam War and his courage to speak about atrocities at the hands of American soldiers, Bush and his minions profess outrage, outrage at truth.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 06:46 PM
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7. Of course Hitler was human. Something we do well to remember!
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:03 PM
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8. There was already a movie on this...starring Anthony Hopkins...
...as Hitler. It was about his last days in the bunker.

I think it came out in the early 80s?
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:20 PM
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11. Bruno Ganz, the actor playing Hitler, is Germany's Anthony Hopkins n/t
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:05 PM
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9. Duh he was human...thats why
people have to look out for individuals like him.
they don't exactly have "genocidal maniac" written on their foreheads.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:19 PM
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10. read that "Bild": source of scum
They are the German version of Fox News, National Enquirer and Limbaugh combined. Want some news? Well, let's just make 'em up, that's the well documented way it goes there.

I seriously doubt that any sane person in Germany objects to this film. I have seen only previews, but the author's and actors' credentials alone suggest that it may well be worth watching.

Bild-Zeitung is just rabble-rousing, they do so every day so they have something to put into their four-inch headlines they love so much.




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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:21 PM
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12. But of course Hitler was human
Bush is very fond of Barney
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:22 PM
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13. Serial Killers and Pedophiles Are Also Nice People
Real life monsters rarely look and act like monsters. I think that it's important to make psychopaths like Hitler look normal, not overly crazy, so that in the future, people can more easily recognize them.
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illiteratepresident Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:33 PM
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14.  "Should a monster be portrayed as a human being?"
When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History
by Thom Hartmann

The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely reported in the corporate media. But the Germans remembered well that fateful day seventy years ago - February 27, 1933. They commemorated the anniversary by joining in demonstrations for peace that mobilized citizens all across the world.

It started when the government, in the midst of a worldwide economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist; the most recent research implies they did not.)

But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted. He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world. His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones.

Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his response. When an aide brought him word that the nation's most prestigious building was ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who had struck and then rushed to the scene and called a press conference.

"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history," he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. "This fire," he said, his voice trembling with emotion, "is the beginning." He used the occasion - "a sign from God," he called it - to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their evil deeds in their religion.

Two weeks later, the first detention center for terrorists was built in Oranianberg to hold the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the leader's flag was everywhere, even printed large in newspapers suitable for window display.

Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people's homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

To get his patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State" passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained. Legislators would later say they hadn't had time to read the bill before voting on it.

Immediately after passage of the anti-terrorism act, his federal police agencies stepped up their program of arresting suspicious persons and holding them without access to lawyers or courts. In the first year only a few hundred were interred, and those who objected were largely ignored by the mainstream press, which was afraid to offend and thus lose access to a leader with such high popularity ratings. Citizens who protested the leader in public - and there were many - quickly found themselves confronting the newly empowered police's batons, gas, and jail cells, or fenced off in protest zones safely out of earshot of the leader's public speeches. (In the meantime, he was taking almost daily lessons in public speaking, learning to control his tonality, gestures, and facial expressions. He became a very competent orator.)

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in the introduction to a 1934 speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will." As hoped, people's hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us.

Playing on this new nationalism, and exploiting a disagreement with the French over his increasing militarism, he argued that any international body that didn't act first and foremost in the best interest of his own nation was neither relevant nor useful. He thus withdrew his country from the League Of Nations in October, 1933, and then negotiated a separate naval armaments agreement with Anthony Eden of The United Kingdom to create a worldwide military ruling elite.

His propaganda minister orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people that he was a deeply religious man and that his motivations were rooted in Christianity. He even proclaimed the need for a revival of the Christian faith across his nation, what he called a "New Christianity." Every man in his rapidly growing army wore a belt buckle that declared "Gott Mit Uns" - God Is With Us - and most of them fervently believed it was true.

Within a year of the terrorist attack, the nation's leader determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, particularly those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist and communist sympathizers, and various troublesome "intellectuals" and "liberals." He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the homeland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single leader.

He appointed one of his most trusted associates to be leader of this new agency, the Central Security Office for the homeland, and gave it a role in the government equal to the other major departments.

His assistant who dealt with the press noted that, since the terrorist attack, "Radio and press are at out disposal." Those voices questioning the legitimacy of their nation's leader, or raising questions about his checkered past, had by now faded from the public's recollection as his central security office began advertising a program encouraging people to phone in tips about suspicious neighbors. This program was so successful that the names of some of the people "denounced" were soon being broadcast on radio stations. Those denounced often included opposition politicians and celebrities who dared speak out - a favorite target of his regime and the media he now controlled through intimidation and ownership by corporate allies.

To consolidate his power, he concluded that government alone wasn't enough. He reached out to industry and forged an alliance, bringing former executives of the nation's largest corporations into high government positions. A flood of government money poured into corporate coffers to fight the war against the Middle Eastern ancestry terrorists lurking within the homeland, and to prepare for wars overseas. He encouraged large corporations friendly to him to acquire media outlets and other industrial concerns across the nation, particularly those previously owned by suspicious people of Middle Eastern ancestry. He built powerful alliances with industry; one corporate ally got the lucrative contract worth millions to build the first large-scale detention center for enemies of the state. Soon more would follow. Industry flourished.

But after an interval of peace following the terrorist attack, voices of dissent again arose within and without the government. Students had started an active program opposing him (later known as the White Rose Society), and leaders of nearby nations were speaking out against his bellicose rhetoric. He needed a diversion, something to direct people away from the corporate cronyism being exposed in his own government, questions of his possibly illegitimate rise to power, and the oft-voiced concerns of civil libertarians about the people being held in detention without due process or access to attorneys or family.

With his number two man - a master at manipulating the media - he began a campaign to convince the people of the nation that a small, limited war was necessary. Another nation was harboring many of the suspicious Middle Eastern people, and even though its connection with the terrorist who had set afire the nation's most important building was tenuous at best, it held resources their nation badly needed if they were to have room to live and maintain their prosperity. He called a press conference and publicly delivered an ultimatum to the leader of the other nation, provoking an international uproar. He claimed the right to strike preemptively in self-defense, and nations across Europe - at first - denounced him for it, pointing out that it was a doctrine only claimed in the past by nations seeking worldwide empire, like Caesar's Rome or Alexander's Greece.

It took a few months, and intense international debate and lobbying with European nations, but, after he personally met with the leader of the United Kingdom, finally a deal was struck. After the military action began, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain told the nervous British people that giving in to this leader's new first-strike doctrine would bring "peace for our time." Thus Hitler annexed Austria in a lightning move, riding a wave of popular support as leaders so often do in times of war. The Austrian government was unseated and replaced by a new leadership friendly to Germany, and German corporations began to take over Austrian resources.

In a speech responding to critics of the invasion, Hitler said, "Certain foreign newspapers have said that we fell on Austria with brutal methods. I can only say; even in death they cannot stop lying. I have in the course of my political struggle won much love from my people, but when I crossed the former frontier there met me such a stream of love as I have never experienced. Not as tyrants have we come, but as liberators."

To deal with those who dissented from his policies, at the advice of his politically savvy advisors, he and his handmaidens in the press began a campaign to equate him and his policies with patriotism and the nation itself. National unity was essential, they said, to ensure that the terrorists or their sponsors didn't think they'd succeeded in splitting the nation or weakening its will. In times of war, they said, there could be only "one people, one nation, and one commander-in-chief" ("Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer"), and so his advocates in the media began a nationwide campaign charging that critics of his policies were attacking the nation itself. Those questioning him were labeled "anti-German" or "not good Germans," and it was suggested they were aiding the enemies of the state by failing in the patriotic necessity of supporting the nation's valiant men in uniform. It was one of his most effective ways to stifle dissent and pit wage-earning people (from whom most of the army came) against the "intellectuals and liberals" who were critical of his policies.

Nonetheless, once the "small war" annexation of Austria was successfully and quickly completed, and peace returned, voices of opposition were again raised in the Homeland. The almost-daily release of news bulletins about the dangers of terrorist communist cells wasn't enough to rouse the populace and totally suppress dissent. A full-out war was necessary to divert public attention from the growing rumbles within the country about disappearing dissidents; violence against liberals, Jews, and union leaders; and the epidemic of crony capitalism that was producing empires of wealth in the corporate sector but threatening the middle class's way of life.

A year later, to the week, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia; the nation was now fully at war, and all internal dissent was suppressed in the name of national security. It was the end of Germany's first experiment with democracy.

As we conclude this review of history, there are a few milestones worth remembering.

February 27, 2003, was the 70th anniversary of Dutch terrorist Marinus van der Lubbe's successful firebombing of the German Parliament (Reichstag) building, the terrorist act that catapulted Hitler to legitimacy and reshaped the German constitution. By the time of his successful and brief action to seize Austria, in which almost no German blood was shed, Hitler was the most beloved and popular leader in the history of his nation. Hailed around the world, he was later Time magazine's "Man Of The Year."

Most Americans remember his office for the security of the homeland, known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and its SchutzStaffel, simply by its most famous agency's initials: the SS.

We also remember that the Germans developed a new form of highly violent warfare they named "lightning war" or blitzkrieg, which, while generating devastating civilian losses, also produced a highly desirable "shock and awe" among the nation's leadership according to the authors of the 1996 book "Shock And Awe" published by the National Defense University Press.

Reflecting on that time, The American Heritage Dictionary (Houghton Mifflin Company, 1983) left us this definition of the form of government the German democracy had become through Hitler's close alliance with the largest German corporations and his policy of using war as a tool to keep power: "fas-cism (fbsh'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

Today, as we face financial and political crises, it's useful to remember that the ravages of the Great Depression hit Germany and the United States alike. Through the 1930s, however, Hitler and Roosevelt chose very different courses to bring their nations back to power and prosperity.

Germany's response was to use government to empower corporations and reward the society's richest individuals, privatize much of the commons, stifle dissent, strip people of constitutional rights, and create an illusion of prosperity through continual and ever-expanding war. America passed minimum wage laws to raise the middle class, enforced anti-trust laws to diminish the power of corporations, increased taxes on corporations and the wealthiest individuals, created Social Security, and became the employer of last resort through programs to build national infrastructure, promote the arts, and replant forests.

To the extent that our Constitution is still intact, the choice is again ours.

Thom Hartmann lived and worked in Germany during the 1980s, and is the author of over a dozen books, including "Unser Ausgebrannter Planet." This article was originally published by Thom in shorter form around 9/11 of last year under the pseudonym "Rusticus," a character in his book "Unequal Protection." This version is copyright by Thom Hartmann, but permission is granted for reprint in print, email, blog, or web media so long as this credit is attached.
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Thurston Howell IV Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 10:12 PM
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16. This sounds way too familiar!
quoted from your article:
"Today, as we face financial and political crises, it's useful to remember that the ravages of the Great Depression hit Germany and the United States alike. Through the 1930s, however, Hitler and Roosevelt chose very different courses to bring their nations back to power and prosperity.

Germany's response was to use government to empower corporations and reward the society's richest individuals, privatize much of the commons, stifle dissent, strip people of constitutional rights, and create an illusion of prosperity through continual and ever-expanding war."
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 12:13 AM
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21. My God,
thank you for putting this up. It is one of the most moving reminders I have read. We must learn history or we run the risk of repeating history.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:57 PM
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27. illiteratepresident
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
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Thank you.


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NoMoreChimp Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:35 PM
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15. Hitler is alive and well
and occupies the whitehouse
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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 10:39 PM
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17. I think this is good
If genocidal maniacs are portrayed only as constantly angry, frowning, evil looking monsters, then it's harder to recognize real genocidal maniacs as they gain power. Genocidal maniacs do not outwardly look like evil monsters. They may look, for instance, like a harmless chimp.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 11:05 PM
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18. It's very important that people learn...
to tell the difference between demeanour and character. Some of the biggest narcissistics assholes I've ever met were the nicest, quietest people I'd ever met.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 12:01 AM
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19. I remember reading somewhere,
that his anti-semitism and blood messiah complex didn't start until he'd been gassed in WW1. From one horror sprouts a another one, weaving a vine of death.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 11:56 PM
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24. Actually, I think his anti-semantic views were brewing before then...
But Im not quite sure, though it wouldnt suprise me if mustard gas could damage the brain like that.
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 12:04 AM
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20. Mistress?
I've always been curious is mistress just another way of saying girlfriend?

In all the history books and shows I've seen they always refer to Eva Braun as Hitler's mistress.

However when I think of the mistress the only time I've heard it used other than that is when someone is cheating on thier wife and the other woman is the mistress.
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dancing kali Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 03:09 AM
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22. Sort of.
The important part is the sexual relationship outside the bond of marriage. According to my computer's dictionary:

Noun: Mistress
1. An adulterous woman; a woman who has an ongoing extramarital sexual relationship with a man.

Synonyms: fancy woman, kept woman, concubine, courtesan, doxy, odalisque, prostitute... and the list continues until you get to... significant other, lover...

I wouldn't try referring to one's girlfriend or significant other as a mistress, however. Current usage keeps the word on the insult side of things. Mistress is the polite way of referring to a woman who the aggrieved spouse uses the more colourful synonyms for.

I had to look up odalisque. It means: a woman who cohabits with an important man.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 11:55 PM
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23. Sort of what the Sopranos does...
shows that even monsters, including Mafia thugs and murderers, all have their human side... I just hope that the file (like the Sopranos) takes time to remind people of the monster side.


This is an important lesson, humans, actual humans ARE capable of such monsterous things, and it is imporant to remember that.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 11:58 PM
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25. and thats a reason why the film goodfellas was so great
It was the rise and fall of Henry Hill and it showed his human side.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:03 AM
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26. I know how they feel! A human Bush disturbs me because I know he's really
an alien lizard!






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