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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 09:32 AM
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State GOP wants Star Tribune to suspend poll
MINNEAPOLIS - The Star Tribune has declined to suspend its Minnesota Poll at the request of State Republican Party Chairman Ron Eibensteiner, who said the poll is "fatally flawed."

On Friday, Eibensteiner called on the newspaper to suspend the poll until after the Nov. 2 election.

Last week, Eibensteiner called for the Star Tribune to fire its pollster for what he said was years of overrepresenting Democrats and underrepresenting Republicans in the poll. Days later, a new Minnesota Poll of likely voters showed Democratic presidential challenger Sen. John Kerry leading President Bush among likely voters, 50 percent to 41 percent.

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/9699272.htm
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 09:34 AM
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1. Gee, someone didn't jump when the republicans told them to jump.
Don't they know that the only polls that are allowed are ones that are slanted towards pResident Unelected?

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 11:18 AM
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15. I think the GOP have targeted the polls as their latest weapon
of mass demoralization.

As of this week, Bush's leads are 13, 8, 4, 1 and 0. And suddeny, the state polls are unraveling. Is this the result of a national GOP effort to pressure ALL the pollsters, with Minnesota refusing to take the dive?

:headbang:
rocknation
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 09:37 AM
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2. Meanwhile, we(Democrats) are content with leaving the criticizing
of Gallup and CBS/NYT polls to bloggers.

Another example of the GOP making a stand and planting the thought of liberal bias into the conciousness of the voting public.
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 09:38 AM
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3. What a bunch of
fucking control freaks.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 09:39 AM
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4. And also to suspend coverage of war, economy, TANG, Halliburton, environ.
Plame outing, deficits, unemployment, and another list to be supplied later under seal of matters that haven't come out yet and shouldn't.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 09:55 AM
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5. Are they saying that a Republican-oriented poll
that shows Kerry ahead is wrong??? I admit I'm a senior citizen and very confused...please explain...








"Strategic Vision, a Republican-oriented national poll of likely voters, released the latest poll, showing Kerry ahead in Minnesota by three percentage points, 48 to 45.

Eibensteiner said the other polls "are one more piece of damning evidence showing that the Minnesota Poll is flawed and failing the voters of Minnesota."
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:18 AM
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6. Sheesh, I'm going to wear out this graphic today.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:21 AM
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7. Uncle Karl Rove
Even J Goebbels would be proud
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:25 AM
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9. GOEBBELS' PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA
GOEBBELS' PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA
Based upon Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda by Leonard W. Doob, published in Public Opinion and Propaganda; A Book of Readings edited for The Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.

1. Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.

2. Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.
a. It must issue all the propaganda directives.

b. It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale.

c. It must oversee other agencies' activities which have propaganda consequences

3. The propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.

4. Propaganda must affect the enemy's policy and action.
a. By suppressing propagandistically desirable material which can provide the enemy with useful intelligence

b. By openly disseminating propaganda whose content or tone causes the enemy to draw the desired conclusions

c. By goading the enemy into revealing vital information about himself

d. By making no reference to a desired enemy activity when any reference would discredit that activity

5. Declassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign

6. To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.

7. Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.

8. The purpose, content and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.

9. Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.

10. Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy's prestige or lends support to the propagandist's own objective.

http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:27 AM
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10. Love the Graphic - you could never wear it out. . .EOM
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:23 AM
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8. want want want. somebody gonna cry now? will we have to call the wah-mm-
bulance?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:36 AM
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11. Even though Minnesota has tragically become more conservative,
the Star-Tribune seemed to always be a decent newspaper. I hope Minnesotans realize this paper is being attacked for daring to post a real poll.
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reggaehead Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:42 AM
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12. Do me a favor
... and drop the Doom song. It's kinda glomy. I've had Doom and gloom for the past 4 years. Can't you sing something more vivid?

Here's a request: Going out to "Big" dick cheney. "Oompa-Loompa"; and "You and Bushie still owe me a license plate you sick..."

While there are no know recordings of song #2. Likely there will be plenty of rehearsal time.
translated: "get something right for once you dumbasses.

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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:35 PM
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17. It's from Invader Zim which had the release
Edited on Sat Sep-18-04 12:40 PM by khephra
of it's second DVD volume in the past few weeks. Those who have watched the show know what it's refering to.

I'll change it when I think of something else that fits my mood, which could be in 5 minutes or 5 weeks.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 11:10 AM
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13. B-b-b-b-but Repubs don't pay attention to polls! * said so!
And all the polls are under the control of K-K-Karl, a bunch of defeatists said so!

Therefore, this isn't happening! (Gee, now I feel better!)


Oh, before I forget - "FUCK YOU, Eibensteiner!"
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 11:17 AM
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14. funny how rethugs only whine about fatal flaws when they work against them
:eyes:
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:03 PM
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16. repubes are pussies.
And not the kind I like either. Meoooowwwwww!:)

Gyre
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