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Comicstripper Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:06 PM
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(CNN) McCain: Bush Not Straight Enough on Iraq
Oooooh, the article mentions Republican and Democratic senators attacking the president...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/19/iraq.senators/index.html
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:10 PM
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1. Pffft. It's all justification for escalating the war against Iraq
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:53 PM
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35. Preezactly
Sickening, isn't it?

The bloodbath that will be brought on by the "bi partisan" support of the violent suppression of Iraq post election day will be a day remembered by the world when the united states completely lost it's fucking mind and went berserk.
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:11 PM
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2. My only problem with what McCain is saying is that...
we need to be more aggressive. No mention of bringing in the UN just more of the same. That means more of our soldiers are going to die. I wish they would wake up and realize that force is not working this situation. They need to do a total 180 when it comes to Iraq. We need to give these people something to live for, not something to die for.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:14 PM
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4. He's going to give them something more to die for
not to mention something more for our troops to die for.

"McCain, who spent five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam after his Navy plane was shot down, hinted that Bush might be avoiding the specter of putting more American lives at risk.

"Airstrikes don't do it; artillery doesn't do it," he said. "Boots on the ground do it. That's one of the fundamentals of warfare."

"You've got to send our troops in there on the ground," he said. "And that, of course, means the most difficult kind of fighting.

"I think the president is being clear. I would like to see him more clear, because I believe the American people, the majority of them, know what's at stake and will support this effort."

McCain called for an increase in the Army of about 70,000 soldiers and for 20,000 to 25,000 more Marines."
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:22 PM
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15. It seems McCain didn't learn much from Vietnam.
Whats worse is that the Vietnamese don't go around throwing airplanes into buildings. This situation is so much worse than Vietnam.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:40 PM
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18. He didn't learn SQUAT from Vietnam.
McCain just absolutely makes me shake my head in disgust. My regard for him drops every time his name is mentioned, at this point. Because he's always doing something to prove what a pathetic patsy he is. That he'd be sticking up for these people AT ALL is beyond me. After what they did to him in South Carolina, and not just to him, either, but to his wife and adopted daughter...

JEEZ! I will NEVER understand him. I will NEVER understand the people of Arizona who repeatedly seem to think he's just a-ok. What the hell is with them?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:19 PM
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11. How about just getting the heck out of their country,...
...where we had absolutely no business being in the first place.

IMHO, they will NEVER accept us as friends after what we've done to them and their country. If some foreign country invaded the U. S. and did the same thing to us as we've done to the Iraqis, I'd feel exactly the same way.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:50 PM
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30. I don't like McCain either, but I'm not going to turn away...
a republican who's critical of bush.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:14 PM
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3. i have new respect for Lugar (R). these last three paragraphs are riveting
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 05:15 PM by truthisfreedom
"The president's going to the United Nations ," he {Biden} said. "You know what we list as our priorities for the United Nations General Assembly? Dealing with sex trade, which is important. Dealing with cloning. Dealing with spread of democracy.

"Not one word of Korea. Not one word with regard to Iraq. Not one word with regard to Iran. It's like Wonderland," said Biden, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Lugar, who is chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, said "the incompetence in the administration" led to only $1 billion spent out of $18 billion appropriated last year for reconstruction efforts.
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:20 PM
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13. Except it wasn't incompetence
it was pure corruption. The $18 Billion had lots of oversight and accountability strings attached, which the CPA didn't want to deal with. It was much easier to funnel the Iraqi oil money to any grubby hand (*cough* Halliburton) they desired.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:15 PM
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5. I understand it is politics, but not one word on the lies told that have
been repsonsible for the thousands upon thousands of lost lives.

Not one mention of the slaughter and of Bush's incompetancy and lies for bringing us to that war and subsequent slaughter in the first place and his lies. Not one word.

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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:16 PM
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6. then why the f*ck is.....
McCain going around the country with Bush hugging him for the world to see?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:16 PM
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7. That makes 3 Republican senators
Who have basically conceeded that the Iraq war is failing.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:17 PM
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8. McCain STFU already.
Sorry but I am so tired of him playing every side.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:18 PM
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9. I try hard to respect McCain (things like this make me want to)...
but it's all for naught when I see him continue to support * after what * said about his daughter back in '00. I know some people consider it part of politics, but attacking someone's child over an issue which they can't control seems barbaric. If someone was to say something like that about my kid, I would have a hard time not putting them in the hospital, yet McCain *campaigns* for him.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:44 PM
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20. Truly, deadparrot. And as an adoptee, I find the bush attacks on
McCain's adopted daughter to be an absolute mortal sin. How DARE HE!!! And what the hell is McCain doing, kissing his butt in public? My dad never ONCE would have stood for that if someone had dragged me into an attempt to attack him. But McCain doesn't seem to mind. FEH on him.

Oh yes - and nothing from his wife on this, either...

Go Figure.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:14 PM
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26. mccain, powell: now we know vietnam wasn't just the pols!
as far as i'm concerned, they're finished as serious public servants....
the politicians get most of blame for vietnam, but lookit these two!
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:18 PM
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10. Pedantic as the question may be, I have to ask -
If Bush is not straight, is he gay, bi, necro, or bestial?

His preference/predilection matters little to me, but I think that some of his fundie base may take an interest.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:03 PM
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23. he's chimp!
http://www.bushorchimp.com/

Sorry if you've seen it but it's always good to take another look for verification.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:20 PM
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12. McCain's an asshole
His answer to everything is escalation. Fuck that! Now is not the time to be sending more bullet catchers into that rat-hole. Declare victory and run like hell before it is too late. If its not already too late that is.

Don

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:26 PM
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16. Yeah, I'm really starting to wish he'd STFU for a while.
After seeing him and Shrub leaning on each other like that,
it's hard for his words to motivate me ...
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:07 PM
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25. why not declare victory and run?
In the land of Busheney, if they say it, the media reportes it as fact and the American people eat it up. So there you have it.

We have won the war and the troops all get to come home by Christmas.
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Thurston Howell IV Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:22 PM
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32. That is the answer
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 07:23 PM by Thurston Howell IV
Just a matter of timing. I suppose if we can pull off some kind of election, that declaring victory and splitting before the roof caves in would work fairly well.

We're not going to "win" there in any other sense. Sooner we all face up to that, the better for everyone involved.


BTW, Welcome to DU!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:49 PM
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34. Welcome, BOTH of you!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:22 PM
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14. "Attacking the president"?? We no longer have one of those...
...particularly since you have to be legally elected in this country to be one.
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:28 PM
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17. Smells Like Rove


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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:41 PM
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19. its all so horrible but did you see what bush said:
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 05:42 PM by faithnotgreed
'Bush said in an interview Saturday that Iraq is "defying the dire predictions of a lot of people by moving toward democracy." (Full story)'

just when you think bush would eventually have to run out of stupidity, since he uses it constantly....

kerry needs to keep saying how this administration is living in a fantasy world.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 08:27 PM
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36. The reason Bush says that
is that he looks at Iraq and dreams about how nice it would be if he could shoot his 'enemies'. That is chimpy's wet dream democracy.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:44 PM
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21. Ah, fuck off McCain. n/t
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Tangledog Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:45 PM
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22. What you all said about McCain!
And they have the nerve to call John Kerry a "flipflopper"? Follow McCain's intellectual journeys and you'll end up in some dimension that quantum mechanics doesn't even know about yet.

Yes, I sincerely respect his military service and the hardships he went through. But his pronouncements have gotten so muddled that he badly, desperately, needs to be called out.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:06 PM
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24. They're campaigning! I just realized...
McCain, Lugar, and Hagel are vying to out-tough each other for the '08 nomination. Maybe the party even sanctioned it. That's why Biden did his little smile and head shake- he realized his Senate pal was running for office.
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Lizzie Borden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:21 PM
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28. I think you may be right here...
especially about McCain.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:20 PM
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27. So Don't Vote For Him McCain
Bush is a chronic liar, he will NEVER be straight with Murikan's.

Go away McCain - you fucker, criticise Bush one day - hug him the next!
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:31 PM
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29. more than meets the eye, as usual
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 06:32 PM by NVwriter
I smell a KKKarl Rove here. I don't know why, but that feeling of no vaseline just comes too frequently these days and with harder intensity.

I agree with the rest of you, what happened to the Bush/McCain Lovefest? Did someone forget the Vaseline or was this timed?
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:02 PM
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31. McCain is the ultimate flip flopper
appears to solidly back bush but throws the dems a nugget every 2 weeks or so.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:43 PM
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33. I'm glad he flipped to our side for 5 min., but no credibility anymore nt
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 08:45 PM
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37. McCain is the "the good cop"
We all need to make sure we are never played by the McCain/GOP "Good cop/Bad cop" routine again...

As others at DU have suggested- McCain may be prempting the thunder of DEM criticisim and making it less effective. The memo being somthing like: "McCain admits Whitehouse mistakes, but still agrees Bush is the man..."
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