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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:47 PM
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Air Force Times weighs in on Bush service. "Faded into mystery."
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 04:48 PM by madfloridian
http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-AIRPAPER-357916.php
Bush’s Air Guard stint started well, then faded into mystery

By William H. McMichael
Times Staff Writer

John F. Kerry’s service in Vietnam and his postwar testimonials have been targeted all summer by Republican-funded critics and veterans groups — so much so that for several months they have obscured George W. Bush’s much-criticized Vietnam-era service in the National Guard. A renewed interest in Bush’s service raised by a critical CBS News report exploded in controversy over whether some recently unearthed Bush documents were actually forgeries.
From most accounts, Bush appears to have received preferential treatment to get into the Air National Guard and avoid the draft after he graduated from Yale University in 1968. He was initially regarded as a good pilot, but his performance faded over his final two years in the Guard and he was suspended from flight status. He did not fly for the remaining 18 months he served in the Guard, though he was obligated to do so.

And for significant chunks of time, Bush did not report for duty at all. His superiors took no action, and he was honorably discharged in 1973, six months before he should have been....."


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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:49 PM
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1. Wow! I'm speechless! (eom)
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:50 PM
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2. Helpful Timeline from Mother Jones
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:02 PM
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9. That timeline misses a very important item
Bush never reported to a base near Harvard to complete his duty in 1973-74.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:23 PM
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21. Yes. It Misses A Lot, But It Is Helpful.
I am particularly taken with Bush flying "agricultural products" from Florida to Houston during his cocaine high days.

Was George dope running, too? Who did he work for?
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:50 PM
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25. He was working for Robert Gow
A friend of Bush's Sr. -- fellow Skull and Bones member and also involved in Zapata Oil. It's one of the weirder stories in this whole weird businesses.

http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4722004.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 12:23 AM
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29. And the path leads back to Bath.
From your link:
SNIP.."For answers we turned to the story of an important 'player' in the saga of George W Bush in the National Guard, James Bath. Bath was mustered out of the Texas National Guard—and allegedly into the CIA—exactly one month from when George W Bush allegedly goes through the same process. Bath's story is entwined with George W's for the next twenty years, almost as if they worked for the same company... from the Texas Guard to BCCI to Saudi money allegedly funnelled into George W. Bush’s first fledgling oil venture, Arbusto, and then later into Bush’s failing Harken Energy, from people who increasingly are being fingered as having participated in the attack on America September 11, 2001....."


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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:52 PM
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3. Airforce is fake - made up on a world processor. Doesn't exist!
Quit bringing up non-existent thingies - you commie - pinko-libruls! :shrug:
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:53 PM
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4. How much more authoritative of a source can you get than
the air force times? We should send this to all the news outlets.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:54 PM
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5. Just in time for the debates...
So, Mr. Bush, about this here editorial in the AIR FORCE TIMES....

I love it.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 06:49 PM
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34. Hi warrens!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:55 PM
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6. Interesting statement here:
SNIP..."There is no record of Bush ever having signed on with a Massachusetts Reserve unit. In 1999, Dan Bartlett, working for the Bush campaign, told The Washington Post that Bush had completed his six-year commitment with a Boston unit. That didn’t happen, Bartlett recently told The Boston Globe. “I must have misspoke,” he said. The following March, Bush was redesignated as an “executive support officer.” In May, he was placed on inactive status. On Nov. 21 — apparently at Bush’s written request, according to an undated letter sent from Massachusetts and released by the White House in which he requests “to discharge from the standby reserve” — he received an honorable discharge “from all appointments in the United States Air Force.”

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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:58 PM
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7. Questions are NEVER answered by Bush
Over and over and over....."he did his duty"........case closed, no discussion!
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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:58 PM
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8. Losing Support our Armed Services?
Is Bush Losing Support or...

Has he lost it.

I am shocked that this is up on the Air Force Times Website.

Talk about an October Surprise.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:10 PM
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10. They're just 'bringing it on'..
...like Bush asked them to do.

:evilgrin:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:14 PM
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11. I hope their readers grab this part...
“The president’s proud of his service,” said Reed Dickins, a Bush campaign spokesman. “The president served honorably, similarly to the thousands of National Guard (members) that are serving our country today.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:15 PM
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12. What did gw* do that demonstrated he was a leader???
“Lt. Bush is an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot,” wrote his commanding officer in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron in Houston, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. Bush “performed in an outstanding manner … a natural leader.”
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:24 PM
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13. "a natural leader" - always the first out the door
and in the bar.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:32 PM
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14. Sometimes "Natural Leaders" are those people
who are bullies and take credit for others' actions.

Schoolyards and work environments are full of them.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:35 PM
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15. Geez....isn't an "Honorary Discharge" good enough? Cut the boy some
slack! :)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:41 PM
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:31 PM
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20. You lost your slack but Gin picked it up for ya!
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 06:32 PM by kikiek
:silly: :silly: :silly:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:41 PM
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24. John Allen Muhammad also received Honorable Discharge.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 08:42 PM by bvar22
But you may know him better as The Washington Sniper.
Court Martialed twice,
AWOL at least once,
Honorable Discharge from National Guard

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,384299,00.html?cnn=yes

http://cale.typepad.com/titwillow/2004/09/george_bush_got.html


So holding up little georgie's* Honorable Discharge don't mean SHIT!
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 12:47 AM
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30. That's boiler plate language for OERs
(Officer Evaluation Reports). Anything else was the kiss of death for a young officer's career. Another phrase that had to appear was "I recommend Lt. ________ be promoted ahead of his contemporaries."

At least, that the way it was when I was a Lieutenant in the Air Force in 1972.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:02 PM
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17. Look at the date on this quote. Our media fell down on the job.
This issue has been discussed here forever, there is so much out there. Randi Rhodes just did a rant about fascism, and I think we are there already.

SNIP...In a 2002 interview with USA Today, Dean Roome, a former fighter pilot who lived with Bush in the early 1970s, said Bush was a model officer during the first part of his career. But overall, he said, Bush’s Air Guard career was erratic — the first three years solid, the last two troubled.

“You wonder if you know who George Bush is,” Roome said. “I think he digressed after a while. In the first half, he was gung-ho. Where George failed was to fulfill his obligation as a pilot. It was an irrational time in his life.”

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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:10 PM
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18. Damnable liberal media hatchet job! Oops...
Air Force Times?
Never mind...
:evilgrin:
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:29 PM
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19. My personal favorite part
Another White House-released document shows a total of 56 points Bush apparently earned during this 12-month period, but it’s awarded in one lump sum rather than credited for each training period. But this document also contains an error, listing Bush’s status as “PLT On-Fly” — meaning he was on flight status — when he had not been for a year. This, said retired Army Lt. Col. Gerald A. Lechliter, who has done an in-depth analysis of Bush’s pay records (www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lechliter.pdf), makes the form’s authenticity suspect.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:54 PM
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22. George Walker Bush - Ghost Warrior.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:11 PM
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23. A better title for that article would be....
"...WAS faded into mystery."

Mac in Ga
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 09:08 PM
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26. Kick
for the evening crowd

:kick:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 10:42 PM
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27. Check out the forum there.
On the left where it says "Discuss this story."

Some very angry folks that they would dare print such a story.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-AIRPAPER-357916.php
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:27 PM
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28. <snip> Killian’s order is confirmed by two documents that were not ...
... part of the CBS papers. The first is a White House-released letter from the commander of the 147th Fighter Group, Col. Bobby W. Hodges, to its Texas higher command dated Sept. 5, 1972, with a subject line of “Suspension From Flying Status.”

The letter documents the missed flight physical and the suspension, “effective 1 Aug 1972.” A Sept. 29 order from the National Guard Bureau further confirms the missed physical and the suspension. <snip>


Don't quote CBS: quote the Airforce Times ...

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 11:09 AM
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31. You are right. Here is the quote you mention.
SNIP..."However, Killian’s order is confirmed by two documents that were not part of the CBS papers. The first is a White House-released letter from the commander of the 147th Fighter Group, Col. Bobby W. Hodges, to its Texas higher command dated Sept. 5, 1972, with a subject line of “Suspension From Flying Status.”

The letter documents the missed flight physical and the suspension, “effective 1 Aug 1972.” A Sept. 29 order from the National Guard Bureau further confirms the missed physical and the suspension....."



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Julian English Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 12:26 PM
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32. What mystery? He was drunk.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 01:13 PM
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33. Did not report...Superiors took NO ACTION...honorably discharged
You mean military media can tackle this story, but TV media can not.
What is wrong with the television picture?

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