How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
Saturday September 25, 2004
The Guardian

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

"But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election ."

Hell, the Bushes did business with Bin Laden. The American people don't care about that either.

The Bushes don't have a (D) behind their name.

Wearing down that thin veneer.

Holocaust survivors tend to get a bit more attention...

Saying this story won't hurt Bush HELPS Karl Rove sell that meme.

Knock that shit off.

If people really KNEW what the Bushes did by financing Hitler and the Holocaust and the murders of millions which made them putridly rich from slaughter of Jews AND American GI's - people WOULD care.

Dismissing this story helps Bush.

PLEASE do not dis this...

Make people HEAR it everywhere!

friends that are totally unaware of the Bush family. In fact, I earned some pointers with some of them a few months ago when I told a few that the Bushes did business with the Bin Laden family and that some of them were allowed to fly out of the country and everyone else was grounded.

American G. I. 's in WW2

...and so does anyone else that has studied WWII and the period of time leading up to Hitler taking power in 1934.

The sins of the fater are transferred to the son, right? :shrug:

could that be.....

Bill Kristol loves him. So does Wolfowitz. There are a lot of Jews out there who hate Muslims because of what has happened Israel over the years. It's the everybody's out to get us complex.

In some ways it's valid. In other ways it's not.

Actually, the fact that two prominent Jews support Bush is completely irrelevant to the larger picture.

You seem to be implying that because "a lot of Jews hate Muslims" therefore this "large" group of Jews would be supporting Bush, but this is a fallacy. First of all, where is the evidence that "a lot of Jews hate Muslims"? I would wager that you do not know what is in the hearts and minds of "a lot of Jews"

Your statement is also illogical given the fact that Jews overwhelmingly voted against Bush in 2000 (75% voted for Gore) and polls suggest that the same number will vote for Kerry this time around.

Human beings constantly prove the fact that stereotyping people on the basis of race, religion, orientation, or ethnicity is doomed to fail.

THIS American does care about those things. A lot of us do, but unfortunately our media has screwed us over and not been forthcoming in any information about it so there are a lot who don't even know about any of it. I've done my part to inform the people I come in contact with about it, but there are still so many who are clueless.

:thumbsup:

so we have to keep saying it over and over

... that a major media outlet started reporting this front and center. Prescott was in with the Silesian Steel concern (used coal from the coal fields by Auschwitz, produced by slave labor).

...can legally effect the election is through media and propaganda. Interesting.

It's in "The Guardian", citing archival files that I'm sure Karl Rove has never touched...

So, See why why we say "Bush is a NAZI"?

I wish the article had mentioned more about IG Farben, makers of Zyklon B...

And the best thing is that we can prove it.

I think the law says that the person who committed the crimes will forfeit whatever financial benefit they achieved, but heirs finances
can not be attached.

Inotherwords..the bastid Prescott got away with it, died and passed the money on. If he was living, the money could be taken away. He's not, it can't be taken from the heirs.

On the other hand, if a person has stolen property, it can be taken away and returned to the rightful owner without remuneration to the
"stolen holder" so I dont see why they couldn't win for their and their relatives deaths and slave labor.

It's getting late. Many or most of the Jews who excaped Aushwitz would be dead. It would be helpful if more could be found to join the
lawsuit.

At 85 and 87 Mr. Gingold and his friend wont be around that long..and
without others the lawsuit would die also, I think.

It was placed into a blind trust in 1990. All that money that was seized in 1942 has been earning interest. It was that money that gave the Bush family their start in the Texas oil business.

I'm curious to know the history of these funds.

Anything you might provide is good. Links, documentation, etc.
(If you have time)

PS: Say hi to Bubastis for me...

,...not that we were ever far behind,...

:hi:

Do Brits consider this a legitimate source?

:hi:

:)

How could any Jew vote for this man after who his Grandfather proped up?

except alternative press.

The Guardian is a main stream newspaper with a liberal slant, just as other Brit papers have a conservative bias. Unlike the US, the British actually get a range of perspectives on all the issues from their "legitimate" press.

And the Bush/Nazi link is not some new revelation. Anyone who wanted to know could easily research the facts since most of the events are on public record.

the anti-defamation league is 'supportive' of Prescott. Makes you wonder.
No Bu$hie can't be held responsible for what his granddaddy did, but he is of the same ilk, a corporatist or fascist.

Some of these folks were in lock stock and barrel white clan fascist behavior, eugenics etc (they never fall far from the tree)

Monday, June 2, 2003

Ford family keeps dynasty alive through five generations

The descendants of Henry Ford have managed to do what many family dynasties have failed to do -- maintain firm control through generations. A look at the growing Ford family and where management and financial control lies:
(snip)
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosinsider/0306/02/autos-180838.htm

know about that. I'm getting old and wondering how come other sheeple don't know about this?!?!?
And, they probably wouldn't give a damn, many want to follow blindly and I have asked about Hitler and they don't see the co-relation. The women's vote who want a 'father' figure!?!?
The U$ of A has always been conformist and belivers and misinterpretators of the H. Alger myth ...
Am doing grunt work for Kerry campaign and idiots for Bu$h want fascism even though they don't know what it is. Remember, FDR had a hard time getting the U$ not to go in on the side of Hitler.

It probably cost Poppy more to buy the ADL's silence than it did AHH-Nuld.

Few million more and they might even plant a tree for Presscott...

Oh, well. There goes THAT October surprise.

And mainstream won't make an issue of it. It is too far back. You wouldn't want to be held responsible for your grandparents. George has done enough on his own to be hung out to dry. We don't have to rely on Granpa!

...that Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law Herbert Walker, continued to approve loans for Nazi Germany until 1942, well after the entry of the U. S. into WWII. They stopped approving the loans when the U. S. government shut them down.

And I Repeat, NO One Cares!

Asked by Woodward how history would judge the war, Bush replied: "History. We don't know. We'll all be dead.

Assuming he fails to kill us all, how priviledge is maintained in the same criminal hands across generations is highly significant and may inspire some new social change some day. But if you only thing today's headline and tomorrow's election, nope. After all, Californians voted for a self confesses passionate Hitler admirer too (true, the news never made it past New York)

Prescott was Hitler's Angel.
Poppy was Saddam's Angel.
Salem bin Laden was Smirk's Angel.

Well. Almost.

Survivor addicted, fans of Donald Trump will not.And those are the people the media cater to. Fox watchers simply won't believe it, and there are no journalists left to follow up.JNHO.

my paternal Grandfather was a staunch Republican Judge in Washington State. Apparently he was notorious for harsh sentencing and intolerance for anyone and everyone that broke the law regardless of the circumstance.

I met my Grandfather one time, when I was 6 months old (of course I don't remember him), he in no way influenced my life, or my politics.

<http://www.lightwatcher.com/culturejam/bush_slave_profits.html>

Excerpts:

But while President Bush publicly embraced the community of holocaust survivors in Washington last spring, he and his family have been keeping a secret from them for over 50 years about Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.

Throughout the Bush family's decades of public life, the American press has gone out of its way to overlook one historical fact ­ that through Union Banking Corporation (UBC), Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, along with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, financed Adolf Hitler before and during World War II. It was first reported in 1994 by John Loftus and Mark Aarons in The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People.

....snip...

However, Prescott Bush's banks were not just financing Hitler as previously reported. In fact, there was a distinct business link much deeper than Mr. Higham or Mr. Loftus knew at the time their books were published.

A classified Dutch intelligence file which was leaked by a courageous Dutch intelligence officer, along with newly surfaced information from U.S. government archives, "confirms absolutely," John Loftus says, the direct links between Bush, Thyssen and genocide profits from Auschwitz.

and a bunch of European industrialists.
see www.thecorporation.com

"The most tantalising part of the story remains shrouded in mystery: the connection, if any, between Prescott Bush, Thyssen, Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC) and Auschwitz.

Thyssen's partner in United Steel Works, which had coal mines and steel plants across the region, was Friedrich Flick, another steel magnate who also owned part of IG Farben, the powerful German chemical company.

Flick's plants in Poland made heavy use of slave labour from the concentration camps in Poland. According to a New York Times article published in March 18 1934 Flick owned two-thirds of CSSC while "American interests" held the rest.

The US National Archive documents show that BBH's involvement with CSSC was more than simply holding the shares in the mid-1930s. Bush's friend and fellow "bonesman" Knight Woolley, another partner at BBH, wrote to Averill Harriman in January 1933 warning of problems with CSSC after the Poles started their drive to nationalise the plant. "The Consolidated Silesian Steel Company situation has become increasingly complicated, and I have accordingly brought in Sullivan and Cromwell, in order to be sure that our interests are protected," wrote Knight. "After studying the situation Foster Dulles is insisting that their man in Berlin get into the picture and obtain the information which the directors here should have. You will recall that Foster is a director and he is particularly anxious to be certain that there is no liability attaching to the American directors."

Roll on November 2nd.

He was, like his son and grandson, one of the One World Order gang.

Their modus operandi has not changed, they prop up dictators as a premise for making war, then use the confusion of war as cover for instituting change that reduces individual freedoms while increasing and centralizing governmental power, but mostly the goal is to foster a "need" for a world government -which they will control.


George Herbert Walker Bush supported Saddam, then turned around and said his increasing power was justification for war. (Anyone remmember the faked reports of babies being taken from incubators following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait? We can not count on the press for reporting the facts because the Institutional Press is a cheerleader for those in power)

Things were little different under Bill Clinton, he also got us into a war (that we had no business fighting) under false pretenses. Anyone remmember the photos of starving "concentration camp prisoners" in Kosovo that was actually a cropped photo of refugees waiting OUTSIDE a barbed wire fence to be given food, shelter, and medical attention at a refugee camp) http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j041000.html


When the current George Bush tells us that the war on terrorism may last a generation, he is setting the stage for getting the people into a seige mentality in which we become more likely to go along with the Patriot Act and other restrictions on personal liberty, while at the same time Bush continues to push for international "trade agreements" such as the FTAA, CAFTA, and NAFTA(Nafta is already a done deal) that are NOT about free trade, but rather are plans for incorporating the US into a regional government much like what is happening with the nations of Europe being gathered into a super-state called the EU. Maybe Oceania and Eurasia would be better names for these regional governments?


It is wrong to tar the current George Bush as the grandson of a Nazi since none of us can be held responsible for what their grandparents have done. But the shoe fits perfectly when we can point out that Geoge Bush continues to pursue the One World Order objectives of his father and grandfather, and continues the same deceitful practices (i.e. claims of WMD's and Saddam's supposed involvement with Bin Laden as justification for war on Iraq)

This criminal gang of Nazi's got their entire fortune from their great-grandad Nazi - if it wasn't for this fortune, there wouldn't be any bush NAZI children in politics and able to buy off their respective elections!

THAT IS WHY IT IS VERY CURRENT AND IMPORTANT!

I am sick and tired of apologists and vichy democrats.

Never in a million years will a major US paper or news org. touch this. The Editor and Chief of the paper or head of the news org. will have their families murdered by Bushco. first.

Look at what they did to Rather when he reported on Bush's guard service. Can you imagine what would happen to the reporter that reports about Bush's grandfather's nazi connection?

There were many other US Third Reich "partners".
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/waryearsp5.html

IBM has a particularly horrible history.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/black.php

There was a sizable amount of support for Hitler in the US prior to the war.
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1930s.html

After WWII real Nazis (many convicted of war crimes and sentenced to death at Nuremburg) were secretly "recruited" to battle godless communism-they were given identities and jobs as Americans working in national security. This expanded to include an unknown number of Nazi's families, friends, and entire social networks.
http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

The foundation of the CIA included many Nazis and Nazi partisans. The Bush family has always been part of the US intelligence culture.
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEL305A.html

These Nazis found a political home in the RW of the Republican Party.
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/political-science/fascism/bellant/bellant.pt1

Back to the Bush family's historical ties to the Nazis-it is really damning what they did do to make a buck and promote a horrible ideology. One must also consider the secret society/occult influence and bonds shared by the Nazis and their US "cousins", like the Bushes.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ROG309A.html

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushies.htm

http://www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp#fortune

We have discussed this many times over the years here at DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853

OTOH, President Clinton's administration prosecuted Nazis.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/holtzman.html

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/maloney.html

For those of you interested in doing more study of this evil here is a link to the National Archives that may have been used by the Guardian's journalists in preparing their article.
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/trade_with_third_reich.html

Good Nazi hunting to all!!!
Bob

But it's too late for this to make ANY difference.
Prescott Bush became a senator AFTER the war was over.
Why didn't Truman or Eisenhower throw him in jail?
Why did they let him keep all of that $$$?

Sorry, but I don't like this at all. I just don't.
The backlash would be huge.

Edit to correct, I know Roosevelt was dead by the time
the war was over.

<<<Why didn't Truman or Eisenhower throw him in jail?>>>

After WWI Great Britain was the world's banker, but they found themselves in a currency crisis. American investment firms stepped in and for the first time became among the leaders in global finance. The more established Wall Street firms like the House of Morgan got the juiciest contracts in the winning countries, and gave the dregs (losing countries like Germany and Russia) to the newer firms like GHW's. So after 10-15 years Hitler took over and doing business with Germany meant doing business with Hitler. For the first time the money started getting good...

After being indicted under the Trading With the Enemy Act, GHW's investment company, a partnership with the Harriman brothers, was recruited to spy on the Nazis instead of facing charges. THAT'S how they got away with it. Their relationship later contributed rare and invaluable intelligence to the war effort.

Contacts initiated by the Walker-Bush families during this time period have helped shape world history for three generations now.

Gawd, these people are snaky.

family imo-the BFEE.
:mad:

:dem::kick:

:dem::kick:

With all the fervor over this story it should make big NYT headlines and help Kerry over the hump. Why not add it to his stump speeches?

Prescott Bush and, I would argue, Bush family wealth traditions.

as being a low and unfair smear (ignoring the fact its true)

I've been through this on other political boards against repugs who will automatically jump into a kneejerk reaction to any reference to nazism or Hitler as defining you as delusional and then dismisses any point you try to make.

Its ugly to watch, actually. They play the passive aggressive victim role to a nauseating extreme if you make even the most innocuous comparison.

I found out the hard way. I was comparing the concept of "preemptive invasion" used by both Hitler and Bush, and the thread got massively sidetracked and squandered by the most venial accusations against me for daring to make the comparison and that I was calling Bush a genocidal maniac and amazingly, by the end of the thread they had made it look like I was a nazi myself for even bringing up the comparison.

They are waiting for this very thing, they have an emotional (but not rational) histrionic litany of counterpunches to the topic of Nazi germany that it is almost impressive to witness.

This is more bizarre when you realize a great deal of the republican base is white supremacist in nature, whether openly or covered with a veneer, that it seems they are quick to project their racist nature back against you if you dare bring up any such topic.

And haven't I heard a rumor that Karl Rove is claiming that Kerry is behind this story coming out now?

No, the current Bush has given Kerry enough material to campaign on.

But I'm glad this old story is getting a new boost.

introduce as many questions about Bush as possible in this last month before the election. The underlying focus of this story could be how the "One World Order" became the "New World Order" which is now aggressively called the "War on Terror."

Personally, I sense that questions being raised about PNAC are ripping at the RNC. Why would the WSJ publish an editorial reinforcing the link between being anti-neocon with anti-semitism?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005656

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=110&topic_id=8062

The mistake that Dan Rather made was simply being sloppy with his sources. If the Bush campaign comes down hard on anyone breaking this story they should just site the facts, the sources, and the fact that people should know about this interesting bit of history. By all means, don't jump to any conclusions that can't be proven.

(ancient family history - right.)

The most ignored issue is that the family background matters very much, unless you were to argue that W is the white sheep of the family, a mantle somewhat gray that has been bestowed on his more circumspect father.

The generations that supplied money and arms to America's enemies, dangerous corporate alliances, family fortunes built on blood of America and its allies, and a very nasty habit of finding thugs somewhere with money a thirst for violence to exploit.

Bush- the Kaiser's multinational arms dealers, well into the war
Bush- "eugenics" Prescott financing the Nazis- until absolutely nailed
Bush- dirty CIA ops, Bin laden, Iraq, creating a terror war in the bud but thinking mainly about oil empire management. Tried a bit lamely to be a war hero to add some luster to the family name. Tried to succeed Nixon. Iran Contra, various other shady deals. Best waffling snake in the family.
Bush- enlisting RW fanatics and following their agenda for Daddy's goals to be swiftly and decisively brought into being at the cost of all that we see today. Need we list the crimes alone? The apotheosis- the God Boy Emperor of the clan- and its just a start to Bushamerica where elections have been stripped, the eyes wide shut, the public coffers open to all chosen raiders, nukes to bristle at a cowed world in flames.

For unswerving rewarding of the main scions of this Black Sheep Dynasty with circumspect investigations, mild rebukes as they hid among their fellow corporate giants and other responsible crooks. Two Presidencies. Money. More money and linkage to all the runaway corporate crime that exists on the planet. That Jeb has been faulted- gently- for consorting with more ordinary organized crime thugs is not a matter of "youthful" indiscretion. It is about breeding.

And Jeb will be your next president unless quality skips a generation.

They make the Borgias look like pikers except for being a lot more craven and affably dull when the spotlight goes on. The Borgias were rewarded with crowns, papal and secular- and of course- lots of money.

The one "black" Borgia sheep was an ascetic saint who probably suffered immensely trying to do penance for the family. Canonized for his efforts. To date the entire Bush clan has kept its bloodlines pure of disturbing moral quality.

No, it does not matter if it was "long ago" history, another set of individuals and the usual cast of blame sharers like Ford, IBM etc who
held the nation's economic well being hostage(and who made up for it with SOME positive service when the nation called). What matters is breeding true to the blood. The daggers in America's back do have fingerprints.