Terror detainee claims torture

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Terror detainee claims torture
From correspondents in Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba
October 07, 2004
A YEMENI prisoner accused of being Osama bin Laden's errand boy appeared before a review hearing today, rejecting statements made by an interrogator and saying he had been mistreated by American troops in Guantanamo and Afghanistan.

The bearded and shackled prisoner with bloodshot eyes has been held at the outpost for nearly three years and is accused of training at an al-Qaeda terrorist camp in Afghanistan in 1995. He was also accused of running errands for bin Laden and fighting for the terror network.

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Guantanomo must be an ugly place right now....When will these men get trials its going on three years 3 years!!!

issue hasn't been brought up in the debates.

Plame? I would hit them with that.

It is something of a wedge issue, to begin with, and beyond that, it could open up either candidate to charges from the other side, or supporters, of being "soft on terror."

Should be part of the Debates...

:bounce:

after Kerry is installed in the white house in January...that way there will be NO pardons for anyone.

...to settle a political score isn't being soft on terror?

makes one soft on terror... I think practicing institutionalized, government sanctioned torture makes one a terrorist.

I understand the point you make, but I don't believe it would make Kerry/Edwards look soft to address it.

and if your goal is to have your candidate installed in the White House in a few weeks, assuming for the sake of argument that the election process includes the counting of votes, then your candidate needs to get more of them.

As we saw in the primaries, even candidates who proposed very modest divergence from current policies did not get a lot of support from the public.

While the policies may be objectionable to you, they are not so objectionable to the general voting population that we are seeing Washington Mall stormed by outraged citizens.

Don't confuse winning an election with a revolution.

thanks for clearing that up.

Just because it has been US policy doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed. In fact it's imperative that it be addressed. I believe that you underestimate the public and what they are willing to tolerate. I would argue that the coverage of the torture has not exactly been extensive nor has it shown the severity of the abuses (the rape and torture of children for example). The public has not been given the entire story and the whole scandal has been white-washed by this administration as well as the military.

And I fail to see how calling out this administration on their blatant disregard for the Geneva Convention and for employing Saddam like tactics against the people we are supposedly liberating can in any way be construed as a call for "revolution"."Responsibility" or even "culpability", yes. These are, in the current times, revolutionary ideas I suppose.

As far as divergence from current policies: In case you haven't been paying attention that is what this entire election is about. A great divergence from the current policies of this administration.

I have the courage of my convictions and will not put them aside to play politics.

if that's not enough, they tolerated having the president installed by the supreme court in 2000, they tolerate the patriot act, colonialist wars of aggression, photos of Abu Ghraib and nobody knows how many secret prisons where the employees do not engage in indiscreet photography, they tolerate Guantanamo, they tolerate atrocities and crimes against humanity in a number of locations every day, not only do they tolerate it, they pay for it.

That is just the reality, and you will enjoy the political process a lot more if you do not let yourself build up false hopes and put unrealistic expectations on your candidate.

One more time, with feeling. An election is not a revolution.

Several people have said that they hope a Kerry win will mean some supreme court nominees they will feel better about.

Concentrate on that, and enjoy every day.

No where do I mention a revolution. The truth and culpability are not a revolution.
Also I do not view the political process as entertainment nor as something that must be enjoyed... I have no false hopes or unrealistic expectations for my candidate... his record of speaking out against the atrocities of war are well documented.

The extent of the abuses in this conflict have not been made readily available to the public, the patriot act is not understood by the majority of Americans, and it is ignorance, not tolerance, that they practice.

This is the most important election this country has ever seen... YOU concentrate on the supreme court and limit yourself to what ever joy that brings you. I will continue to fight for what I believe to be important and in so doing will I ENJOY every day.

As would any fundamental change in long-standing US policy, which the voters have quite clearly and consistently indicated that they do not want.

The well-documented remarks of both candidates on the subject of torture have been appropriate, prudent, and well-received by the supporters of each, who pay for today's torture as their parents paid for yesterday's.

I think that you underestimate, as well as deny yourself the benefits that many Americans receive from particiating in the political process. Given the global geo-political reality, as events unfold, any enjoyment you can find is nothing to scoff at.

It would seem that I've stumbled into a discussion with somewhat of a legend around DU. I'm honored to make your acquaintance.

What joy I do get are exchanges of ideas like this one. I like being forced to defend my positions. Keeps me honest in them. I consider this coversation to be participation in the political process and I have enjoyed it.

If that is the model we are going to use for revolution then I conceed the point. I am a die-hard idealist. Guilty. Revolutionary is hardly what I would be called by anyone who knows me, but if the shoe fits...

It's 3am here in NYC. I'm tired and must end this discussion, but I look forward to reading you in the future.

Peace
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A revolutionary must be alert and well-rested :hi:

I think it is a heck of an issue

Our men and women in the military are there to protect the US

and this administration has tryed to cover up major crimes and violations of the Geneva Convention

This is big time stuff...

The damage done has been tremendous and Nothing said about it

Its an Issue all right

Rumsfeld should have been fired...for it

In this climate of Neo Fascist rule when the population is in fear it would be revolutionary to demand that the War Crimes be addressed at the highest levels. No one is going to rock this because the ship of state is in peril. The War Crimes issue has been avoided by almost everyone in the Govt. because high level people would need to be charged and put on trial.

The Dems are spineless in almost all things, especially this issue.


"Rumsfeld should have been fired...for it."

Yes and he should be on trial for his crimes. I seriously doubt that he ever will be charged.



Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act.

Rumfailed has commited at least two violations of the Geneva Convention; thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?

I suppose in another time this would be true... I don't consider something so fundamental to be revolutionary, but I absolutely see your point as well as Ductapefatwa's.

It saddens me that these have become revolutionary principals.

I would absolutely like to see the whole administration stand trial, but I realize that this is wishful thinking. The realities of it all are woefully clear to me, but I do still hope that those two principals will one day be a common pursuit and not extraordinary.