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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 05:55 PM
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Nader Says He Can't Win Single State
ALBANY, N.Y. - Independent candidate Ralph Nader (news - web sites) conceded on Thursday that he won't win a single state in the presidential election.

"Of course not, the system is rigged," the consumer advocate said when asked if he thought he could carry a state Nov. 2. Nevertheless, Nader is remaining in the race.
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Nader also took a swipe at Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards (news - web sites), calling him a "sniveling coward." Nader contended that Edwards failed to criticize Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) over limiting awards in medical malpractice lawsuits in their debate Tuesday.

Hundreds of prominent Democrats have called for Nader to drop out of the race and urged liberal voters not to support him. Feminist Gloria Steinem and two dozen other women's rights activists signed an open letter on Thursday urging women not to support Nader.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=696&e=2&u=/ap/20041007/ap_on_el_pr/nader

This guy has come all the way off his spools.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 05:57 PM
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1. Daaa Now he is almost as smart as Bush
IQ 90

Streamlined Brain Cells
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VotefurKerry Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 05:57 PM
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2. Nader still has a right to run
but maybe he will have a heart attack?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:10 PM
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10. People have voted for dead men before.
Ask Ashcroft.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:57 PM
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18. Just because he has a "right" to
does not mean he should. He will be forever damned for his interference in this as well as the previous election. Can you say persona non grata ?
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:11 AM
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34. And Repukes Have Right to Mortgage Their Houses to Fund A Losing
campaign..

Kerry's gonna win and there will be a lot of pissed off repukes who donated far more to the Nader campaign than what they received from AWOL's tax cuts
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 05:58 PM
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3. I think he must be ill
something is really wrong with him
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StupidFOX Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:00 PM
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4. Oh, but he's so right!! (sarcasm)
I mean, the FOUNDING FATHERS rigged the system against him! :crazy:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:57 PM
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17. Those Founding Fathers didn't want anyone to win by having the most votes
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:00 PM
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5. He ain't no Saint ...
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 06:01 PM by MatrixEscape
And he is sounding more like a grumpy Bush these days.

Counter to his consumer advocate PR, there is a lot of curious info about Nader:
http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm

Google the sucker up! He could redeem his image, as I have said, by dropping out and supporting Kerry, but I can see he is just getting meaner as he fades away.
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fdr_hst_fan Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:01 PM
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6. If he KNOWS he won't win,
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 06:01 PM by fdr_hst_fan
then the REAL reason he's staying in the race is OBVIOUS: if he can't be president, then Kerry can't be, either. It's a classic case of the kid on the playground-if he can't have it HIS way, he picks up his marbles and goes home!

Boo Hoo!

:cry:
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:07 PM
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9. He practically admits the real reason here
by attacking Edwards. I don't see anything thrown at Bush. His motives are plain, at this point.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:11 PM
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12. Well, hey. At least he doesn't bite the hand that feeds him.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:05 PM
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7. Gee Ralph, you're pretty quick to the draw there aren't you?
Any day now he's going to learn that the Beatles broke up and be completely devastated.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:05 PM
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8. I think he has done one good thing, he has united the Dems..I hope
he turns out to do something good,like backing out.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:10 PM
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11. Just when I thought I couldn't like him any less.... eom
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:35 PM
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13. duh!
even the Green candidates want people to support Kerry in close states

Nader just needs to pack it in and go home
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:38 PM
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14. it's rigged i tell ya, it's rigged
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:40 PM
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15. He's just figuring this out NOW?
God, he's even more of an idiot than I thought.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 06:48 PM
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16. I'm willing to bet, if Kerry loses, plenty of Democrats ...
will blame Nader. They'll look past any electoral chicanery, media complicity etc, and go right to blaming Ralph. Just like they did in 2000.

Actually, as frustrating as the neophyte "Blame Nader" crowd can be, they have been a source of great amusement for me.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 07:00 PM
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19. In 2000
Nader DID contribute towards the Chimp being appointed to the WH.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 07:04 PM
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20. I'm happy to be of an amusment to you from your ivory tower (nt)
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 07:06 PM
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21. What? .. I can't hear you ...
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 07:08 PM by DemsUnite
HEAR YOU ... HEAR you ... hear you ...

Damned echo chamber ...
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:57 PM
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22. It is BECAUSE The Repubs Own the News & the Voting Machinez...
...that Nader is such a dire threat to us. Without those factors,
it wouldn't even be close, Nader or no Nader. This was also the
case in 2000. Nobody has claimed otherwise.

The situation with both the media and the voting machinez
has gotten much, much, worse since 2000. There is nothing
whatsoever we can do about the media -- the Repubs own it.
We have been doing everything we can about the voting machinez,
but they are still in a position to steal millions of votes.

With Nader in the race, it becomes much easier for them to steal.
The machinez have another place to redirect Democratic votes
in liberal areas, even if nobody really votes for him.

It is disingenuous for Nader or his supporters to deny any
responsibility for the consequences of their spoiler campaigns.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:14 PM
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23. less than 1% of the vote?
Nah. What I can't figure out is why he's even a story anymore. Aren't there other Presidential candidates getting more than 1%? There usually are.

Frankly, at this point anybody who is voting for Nader is casting an anarchist vote and nothing more. There is nothing about voter fraud or sabatoging elections to respect.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:17 PM
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24. innocent people are dying, Dickhead.
go cry yourself a river about something less important.
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:31 PM
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25. Where were you from 2000 to 2004, Ralph?
I voted for you.

I expected you to keep your mouth open after the 2000 election debacle.

I expected you to be vocal throughout the Bush regime.

I expected you to speak out for those who trusted you enough to vote for you.

Where were you, Ralph? Why did you let us down, Ralph?

Why the hell should we vote for you or support you again, Ralph?

Huh?
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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:57 PM
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28. .
I heard more out of Ralph than Al Gore. Talk about rolling over. Gore had no fight in him after the stolen election.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:05 PM
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36. I think after getting
run down by the RW steamroller, Al can B Xcused. He certainly found his voice again after he regrouped.
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Tangledog Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:54 PM
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26. Saw Ralph on the television the other night
He was talking some trash about how B* and Kerry are both in Skull and Bones, and therefore they will have the same people at their bidding. Real tinfoil woofing.

He's also actively campaigning in swing states.

To think that B* and Kerry are the same, politically or ethically, is intellectual malnutrition.

To act like B* and Kerry are the same, and to help B* get another chance to really run this country into the dirt, is a moral idiocy. It's on the same level as treason.

Yeah, treason. Big nasty word, and one I use very rarely, but I'm seriously angry at Nader. His behavior this election is IMHO canceling out all the good stuff he's been doing all his life. I don't know if he's gone senile or if we're seeing what Rush was doing with all that Oxy, but there comes a point where you just gotta be smart enough to know when you're being an idiot.

Ralph Nader, Freeper stooge and knucklehead. Damn. DAMN!



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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:57 PM
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27. What a sad, sick, pathetic end to a noble life.
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 11:58 PM by Flammable Materials
Is this how you wanted it all to end, Ralph?

Did you want all of your life's work flushed down the shitter for a last-ditch effort to give your flaccid ego a dose of political Viagra?
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:05 AM
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29. No Shit Sherlock
ya think?

Nader is without question a pompous ass. The way he accepts GOP help to get on ballots is beyond hypocrisy when he turns to criticize Edwards for not being harsh enough on Cheney in the debate. I can think of so many Democrats who would be a better 3rd party candidate and could get just as many votes as this egotistical, has-been, turd.

And if anyone disagrees with me I will tell you what I REALLY think of this asshole.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:06 AM
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30. OK RALPH
We've got your number now. GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS RACE!
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Dark Jedi Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:33 AM
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31. How Old is Ralphie?
WHAT A WHINER! Go stuff it, Ralphie.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:30 PM
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37. About 70, I think.
And he's not going to lose because the system is rigged. He's going to lose because he can't garner enough support.

Oh, and the fact that he works overtime to make potential allies hate his guts.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:37 AM
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32. Yeah, that cowardly Edwards.
It takes a real coward to begin his very first response by calling the (second? pffft, hardly) most powerful man in the free world a lair on national television.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:42 AM
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33. Truly sad. All the great things he did, the positive changes he affected -
he's just pissing all over them now.
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DFWJock Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:58 AM
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35. This just in...
Ralph says: the sky is blue
cows eat grass
Pope is Catholic
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:36 PM
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38. Maybe Ralph is bi-polar
That could explain his grandiosity, his narcissism.

"Of course not, the system is rigged," the consumer advocate said when asked if he thought he could carry a state Nov. 2. Nevertheless, Nader is remaining in the race.

Rigged, yeah, right. How is the system rigged that he can't carry a STATE. I agree the electoral college is set up so that a third party isn't likely win the election, but a state? George Wallace won three states in 1968 YOU ASSHOLE. Ross Perot didn't win any states in 1992, but he got a hell of a lot more votes than Nader did in 2000.

He just can't face the facts. He can't win a state because there aren't enough people that buy what he's selling, especially this time around. In 2000, before the results came in, I didn't really care that Ralph was running. He wasn't my candidate of chose, I liked Al Gore and frankly the election was a lot closer than I ever would have thought it would be. I really thought that bad feelings from the Clinton adminstration would hurt Al Gore with the swing voters. I was expected Bush to win and was ecstatic when Gore won the popular vote and it was down to Florida. You know the rest.

But here's the problem with Nader now. WE ARE AT WAR, and if he costs Kerry one state it could mean the election. Does Ralph think that Bush will do a better job at cleaning up the Iraq quagmire? If Nader costs Kerry the election MORE AMERICANS AND IRAQIS WILL DIE.

And then there's this:

"Nader also took a swipe at Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards (news - web sites), calling him a "sniveling coward." Nader contended that Edwards failed to criticize Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) over limiting awards in medical malpractice lawsuits in their debate Tuesday."

Edwards proposed what I thought was a very practical solution to the malpractice lawsuit problem. You see, it's not just the size of the awards that's a problem. It the "trivial" lawsuits that are brought to court that are handled by unscrupulous attorneys hoping to just get a settlement out of the defendents because it's cheaper than going through the costs of a full blown trial. There are attorneys that do this all the time, and THEY are the ones that should be stopped. Edwards suggested a plan by where records are kept on the the attorneys that file the lawsuits and fines are assessed when they bring suits that have no legal standing, including a "3 strikes and you're out" plan. I'd also add that something needs to be done about states that are hesitant to suspend medical licenses of bad doctors. We've got one in Texas right now that is allowed to continue to do gastric bypass surgeries even though he has over 20 lawsuits pending against him, including several for the families of patients that he KILLED.
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:36 PM
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39. I'm beginning to really want to kick his ass
A "sniveling coward"? Edwards was anything but that when he went up against Cheney. I would like to see Ralpie do any better.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 01:52 PM
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40. Nader is now accepting support and $$$ from the Swift Boat Liars
What a class act- not.
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