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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 07:48 AM
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Clerks spill Bush v. Gore details
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/nation/9949251.htm

Clerks spill Bush v. Gore details

But in the October issue of Vanity Fair magazine, former Supreme Court law clerks from the court’s 2000-01 term speak out – under cover of anonymity – about what they saw behind the scenes during the fateful case of Bush v. Gore.



That case, decided by a 5-4 vote, ended the contentious recount in Florida, thereby giving the presidency to George W. Bush.



Writers David Margolick, Evgenia Peretz and Michael Shnayerson recount the views of former clerks to liberal justices who opposed the ruling. Those clerks contend that the decision was an exercise in partisanship by conservative Republican justices
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 07:52 AM
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1. Interesting...but seriously short of details
This article offered a whif of the fresh baked cookies, but won't let you taste. Bummer.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 07:53 AM
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2. From the article
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 07:54 AM by tlcandie
<snip>
“We feel that something illegitimate was done with the Court’s power, and such an extraordinary situation justifies breaking an obligation we’d otherwise honor,” one clerk told the magazine. “Our secrecy was helping to shield some of those actions.”

Most of the Bush v. Gore clerks aren’t talking to the media, even to comment on the article’s accuracy, which, as several pointed out privately, would require them to reveal confidential information. But their private comments about the leakers tend to break down along partisan lines, with conservative clerks condemning them and liberals expressing understanding, if not support.
<snip>

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Most of the criticism in the Vanity Fair piece is aimed at Justices Antonin Scalia, Sandra Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy, all of whom voted in favor of Bush. Scalia is depicted bullying Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg into watering down her dissenting opinion. O’Connor is described as emotionally fixated on stopping a recount and Kennedy as overly influenced by his right-wing clerks.

As the Vanity Fair article’s authors concede, the clerks present no document or other “smoking gun” proving that the conservative justices deliberately decided the case to suit their partisan preferences – a charge that members of the court on both sides have denied publicly.
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EDIT: suppose the details are in the Vanity Fair article.. :shrugs:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:00 AM
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4. this is worth repeating
Scalia is depicted bullying Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg into watering down her dissenting opinion. O’Connor is described as emotionally fixated on stopping a recount and Kennedy as overly influenced by his right-wing clerks.

This group is more disfunctional than my family over thanksiving.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 07:58 AM
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3. This is actully old news
This was discussed here on Sept. 28th
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=76073

I believe there is a link to the Vanity Fair article there
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:01 AM
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5. sorry, my search was apparently shallow
and I had not caught the story originally.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:09 AM
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6. I don't remember seeing it either...and I'm reading DU 24/7...
But you should be ashamed of yourself for missing the story like, I suspect, quite a few of us did. :eyes:
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:23 AM
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8. No problem
The reason it is coming up is that the Washington Post published and "article about the article" today.

I'm not deleting or anything. It hasn't been posted in LBN.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:09 AM
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7. The Vanity Fair article is very good. This mag has done a great job for a
while now. I bought a years subscription in the past week to support their efforts. I have no use for the glitzy ads and movie star stuff, but when you get articles like this, an article about Rummie's downfall, an article on separation of church and state, an article slamming Bush's false economic promises, it's worth supporting.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:41 PM
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9. I have a subscription, too, & that article was excellent!
I agree about the ads/entertainment features, but there's a wealth of well-written information about political issues.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 02:33 PM
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10. As I remember, VF is really cheap to subscribe to
...they make all their dough off those insane ads, which are kind of funny if you look at them in detached fashion AND hold your nose. All of the models look bored, irritated, hungry or constipated, and the items that are featured are just so NOT REAL LIFE that they are funny (I'll just die if I do not have a purse the size of a matchbook...oh, I MUST have that UGLY watch!). If you examine the ads closely, you can see where they have lengthened legs to make people look taller and slimmer, they've airbrushed them into total vapidity, and they have cut chunks off of their bodies to get rid of unsightly fat. And the STINK! When a cat sneezes near the magazine, there's too much perfume. But I agree, there's always a good article or three in every issue, and it isn't pricy.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 07:22 PM
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11. Scalia and Kennedy should be removed
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 07:25 PM by LiberalFighter
In one episode reported in the story, Scalia clerk Kevin Martin visited the chambers of Justice John Paul Stevens to discuss the case with Stevens' clerks. The conversation "turned nasty," Margolick reports, and Martin stormed out. Martin could not be reached for comment. On another occasion, Kennedy was said to have visited Justice Stephen Breyer's chambers, where he stated aloud that he hoped Breyer would join his opinion against continuing the recount. "We just kind of looked at him like he was crazy," a clerk is quoted as saying.

Source

And law clerks condone illegal activities?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 09:08 PM
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13. unfrickinbelievable
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:53 PM
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12. It is a shame...
that nothing will come of this.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 09:09 PM
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14. I wonder if anyone has posed the question of impeaching scalia
to JK
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