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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:02 PM
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Salon on Iraqi weapons: "Tip of the Iceberg"
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David J. Morris is a former Marine officer and the author of "Storm on the Horizon: Khafji -- The Battle that Changed the Course of the Gulf War" (Free Press). He was embedded with the Marines in Fallujah, Iraq, in May and June 2004.

As I learned while embedded in Iraq, the highly lethal explosives stolen from Al Qaqaa are just a fraction of the mountain of poorly secured munitions that could be turned against U.S. soldiers and citizens.

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Having personally toured weapons caches comparable in scale to Al Qaqaa and seen similar ordnance in the process of being converted into roadside bombs at an insurgent hideout, I believe that the theft and redistribution of conventional explosives and weapons represent the largest long-term threat to American troops in Iraq. Strangely enough, it is likely that dealing with this conventional weapons threat, rather than eradicating the mythical unconventional WMD threat, will be the U.S. legacy in Iraq.
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Without being cavalier about the weapons loss at Al Qaqaa, it is crucial to remember that the cache is just one repository among thousands in Iraq. The real and persistent danger is that America's continued mismanagement of the arms caches across Iraq is arming and equipping the very enemy the United States is dedicated to destroying and providing a key service to the insurgency.

In discussing Iraq, it is easy to overuse Vietnam analogies, but it is nevertheless worth remembering that one of the key developments in the early stages of that war occurred in early 1962 when the Viet Cong began acquiring stolen U.S. small arms through the black market. For a budding insurgency beginning to solidify its movement, there are few things more invigorating than a sudden inrush of weapons and equipment. In the larger context of a shifting battlefield, such a development is oftentimes a catalyst for an even wider and deadlier war.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/26/iraq_weapons_caches/index.html

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bush supporters might argue that this report shows that Saddam had a tremendous amount of weapons and we had to remove him. But because Rumsfeld went in with too few troops, thousands of tons of a wild variety of weapons have been cast to the winds, to be let loose upon the world.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:08 PM
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1. I remember watching the first weeks of the war and commenting to some
fellow Viet Nam vets that those troops would have been killed in Nam. Those weapons caches would have been booby trapped. I guess since we didn't secure them at the time that's what they became anyway.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:14 PM
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2. An AK sells for $25.00 US, a Dragunov for $40.00
An Rpg launcher $50.00, a round for the Rpg $10.00 The place is awash in weapons. the free market will supply whatever is wanted. There are a lot of US $$$$$$$$$$$$$ floating around.

This is a true Nationalist Religious war without end.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:58 PM
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5. "A true Nationalist Religious war without end"
I believe so, too. So what is your view of Kerry's share-the-pain-with-allies panacea?
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:25 PM
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10. Is this the victory of the free market the GOP'ers wanted? (n/t)
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:58 PM
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13. Do you know if the soldiers use MPC or American greenbacks?
I remember how much a greenback dollar would buy in Vietnam although it was considered treason to spend one.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:17 PM
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3. Piles of weapons, every kind, were everywhere
all ignored.

Noted it at the time. Major screw-up right there.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:37 PM
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4. Not enough forces. Exactly right.

Putting aside the idiocy of invading in the first place, the "plan" was shxt. Plenty of evidence out there that more troops were needed and recommended prior.

Rumsfeld should have been fired ages ago, and moreso now. Bush's failure to do so necessitates his removal.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:48 AM
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6. kick
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jsquared Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:57 AM
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7. Just finished reading "House of Bush, House of Saud," and tmany of those
weapons may have been paid for by billions of dollars of US aid during the Reagan and Bush I administations. "Blowback" in the worst possible way. Thankfully, this information is coming out at a very important time.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:24 PM
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11. Hi jsquared!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:47 AM
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8. And don't forget our good ole American arms dealers who sell weapons
throughout the world thanks to cover from the NRA.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:57 AM
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9. real unconventional weapons??? mythical WMDs...yea, we know
have faith
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:28 PM
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12. NO MORE EXCUSES!
JUST SAY NO TO BUSH
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:09 PM
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14. kick
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