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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:35 AM
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Rumsfeld implicitly admits lack of planning for Iraqi insurgency
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041027/pl_afp/us_iraq_planning&cid=1521&ncid=1478

"The postwar plan ... was designed to see that they were not able to destroy their oil wells, that they were not able to blow up their bridges, that they did not have massive humanitarian crisis with internally displaced people and refugees and food crisis, and that the war was conducted in a speedy way so that it would not run the risk of destabilizing neighboring countries," Rumsfeld said when asked to comment on the accusations.


He said all those goals had been accomplished, but he did not mention guerrilla operations among the contingencies the military had planned for, and referred to them as a problem that was being handled on an ad hoc basis."

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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:38 AM
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1. Notice how "oil wells" comes first in that sentence.
That says it all.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:42 AM
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2. Reason #1 for the invasion and occupation. Rummy will pay for what he
has wrought. One day...some way...he and the others who are complicit in the slaughter in Iraq will pay the piper.
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:43 AM
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3. Yep
I just shook my head when I read that. They're so transparent.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:48 AM
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4. ad hoc --
pseudoscinetists -- pseudo-planners -- pseudo-military planners --

Rummy = imbecilic dumb fuck

http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html

ad hoc hypothesis

An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to refute one’s theory. Ad hoc hypotheses are common in paranormal research and in the work of pseudoscientists. For example, ESP researchers have been known to blame the hostile thoughts of onlookers for unconsciously influencing pointer readings on sensitive instruments. The hostile vibes, they say, made it impossible for them to duplicate a positive ESP experiment. Being able to duplicate an experiment is essential to confirming its validity. Of course, if this objection is taken seriously, then no experiment on ESP can ever fail. Whatever the results, one can always say they were caused by paranormal psychic forces, either the ones being tested or others not being tested.

Martin Gardner reports on this type of ad hoc hypothesizing reaching a ludicrous peak with paraphysicist Helmut Schmidt who put cockroaches in a box where they could give themselves electric shocks. One would assume that cockroaches do not like to be shocked and would give themselves shocks at a chance rate or less, if cockroaches can learn from experience. The cockroaches gave themselves more electric shocks than predicted by chance. Schmidt concluded that "because he hated cockroaches, maybe it was his pk that influenced the randomizer!" (Gardner, p. 59)

Ad hoc hypotheses are common in defense of the pseudoscientific theory known as biorhythm theory. For example, there are very many people who do not fit the predicted patterns of biorhythm theory. Rather than accept this fact as refuting evidence of the theory, a new category of people is created: the arhythmic. In short, whenever the theory does not seem to work, the contrary evidence is systematically discounted. Advocates of biorhythm theory claimed that the theory could be used to accurately predict the sex of unborn children. However, W.S. Bainbridge, a professor of sociology at the University of Washington, demonstrated that the chance of predicting the sex of an unborn child using biorhythms was 50/50, the same as flipping a coin. An expert in biorhythms tried unsuccessfully to predict accurately the sexes of the children in Bainbridge's study based on Bainbridge's data. The expert's spouse suggested to Bainbridge an interesting ad hoc hypothesis, namely, that the cases where the theory was wrong probably included many homosexuals with indeterminate sex identities!
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:06 AM
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5. Damn now that's the way to word a headline!!!
I love those AFP folks!
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:19 AM
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6. I think this sums it up
<SNIP>
In the lead-up to the war, the Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) was reportedly so convinced Iraqis would warmly greet US troops that it proposed smuggling hundreds of small American flags into Iraq ahead of the invasion to give Iraqis something to wave at the soldiers.

The CIA (news - web sites) was then planning to capture the event on film and beam it throughout the Arab world, The New York Times reported last week, citing unnamed intelligence officials.
<SNIP>
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:20 AM
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7. chaos, once started, is hard to control
isn't it Rummy?

Remember when you made that choice to disband 400,000 militarily trained Iraqis, Rummy?

Don't you think that was a major mistake?

Remember not caring when looting was occurring because "there's only one vase in all of Iraq?" (paraphrasing a bit on my part)

Remember when you said "democracy is messy"?

You need to pack your bags for a long stay at the Hague Rummy - and no, it's not going to go "away" just because your nasty cronies want it to.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:34 AM
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8. kicking it up
:)
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:37 AM
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9. So he invaded Iraq because Saddam had WMD's
but he made no plans to secure the main sites where we believed Saddam had stored these WMD's. Obviously, the oil was much more important.

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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:49 AM
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13. Oil wells,the oil ministry,& the presidential palaces....
were the only sites worthy of being guarded by US troops...


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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:52 AM
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10. Every single member of this administration
is the most incompetent and corrupt they could find for the position. That the world's safety is in the hands of these brain dead idiots is truly terrifying. It's like we gave the country to a group of hormone-crazed 7th grade boys.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:37 AM
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11. Light thoughts for a light plan to travel light to Baghdad w/light ad hoc
hindsight
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:39 AM
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12. or dimwits?
:wink:
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:55 AM
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14. So, securing the nuclear sites at Tuwaitha just wasn't in the plan, eh?
That monumental failure alone should have been enough to impeach the Chimperor.
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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:59 AM
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15. If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.
Watched "Frontline" last night and they had many clips of Rummy Ñ from way back in Ford's admin, to the present.

And it was absolutely lovely to see the post-invasion, triumphalist laughing, smirking and goofing, get wiped off his nasty face Ñ as the dismal events in Iraq made a mockery of his "transformational, light and agile army tactics".
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