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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:25 AM
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U.S. Marines Can't Easily ID Enemy in Iraq
NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq - Scouring turnip patches and dimly lit homes, U.S. Marines on patrol outside the insurgent stronghold of Fallujah search for guns, mortar rounds and rockets in villages where the Marines believe people smile by day — and launch deadly projectiles by night.



In a fight without front lines against civilian-clothed enemies, Marines in central Iraq (news - web sites) can't easily identify enemies called "The Muj" — short for mujahedeen, or Muslim holy warriors — who boobytrap roads and fire into U.S. bases from nearby hamlets.


"They're watching us right now. They're everywhere, but you can't tell who they are," says Sgt. Alexander Munoz as he leads a 1st Marine Division patrol through one town. "They wave and salute — then they bomb you."


The Marines have stepped up activities in Iraq's restive Sunni Triangle and are laying plans to attack Fallujah, whose rebel leadership is believed a leading force behind the insurgency as well as the hostage-takings, bombings and beheadings.

more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=8&u=/ap/20041101/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_who_s_the_muj
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:58 AM
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1. I'm gonna be ill.
:puke: :puke: :puke:

They even called them "hamlets".
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:02 AM
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2. replace the Sgt for any resident of Fallujah,or Ramadi
"They're watching us right now. They're everywhere, but you can't tell who they are," says Sgt. Alexander Munoz as he leads a 1st Marine Division patrol through one town. "They wave and salute — then they bomb you."
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:18 AM
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4. Why
that sounds just like Viet Nam to me. They help build the phone lines in the daytime and at night they blow them up, along with us.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:50 AM
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6. Just like the villes around Danang
When this ol' Marine was trying to stay alive back in '67...... Beggers by day, blow you away by night: these are the people that we are "liberating". (Who can blame 'em?)
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:22 PM
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9. My son, a Marine who was in Iraq,
says the same. He doesn't know who the enemy is. He's in the states, now. Due to go back to Iraq in January, for the "elections."
He voted for Kerry by absentee.
Semper Fi.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:32 PM
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10. Semper Fi.
Hope he comes back intact, and my regards to you.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:25 PM
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12. Semper fi is always good.
Hang in there, "help is on the way" with Pres. Kerry.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:03 PM
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14. Hopefully he won't be killed in the Cluster Fuck
If the Chimp somehow manages to win.

I hope after a couple of tours he doesn't have the urge to re-enlist.
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pinerow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:04 AM
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3. Rule of thumb...
if you cannot identify the enemy...you should not be there...
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:32 AM
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8. and you shouldn't be shooting at
people who are likely to be civilians.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:20 AM
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5. Nothin' wrong with that country
that a good remake of "Operation Phoenix" wouldn't cure...

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:53 AM
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7. The imperial japanese army had the very same 'problem' in Nanking
they used to go by haircuts, posture, suntans and other bs clues.

but i guess that has been long forgotton.

peace
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:38 PM
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11. File This Under "Well, Duh!"
Another screw up in the planning stages by the White House folks who brought you the "light, quick, and agile" military, roses from the masses, and "no casualties".

Boy, if this administration's decision makers were any smarter, broccoli would be getting nervous about it's place on the evolutionary scale.
The Professor
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:01 PM
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13. fire into U.S. bases from nearby hamlets ---WTF Its Iraq-Nam
Hmmm Hamlets--- where Have I heard that before ????????????????
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