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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:43 PM
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Reuters disputes US version of cameraman's death
http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1341711,00.html

>>News agency Reuters today demanded a full investigation into the shooting of one of its cameramen in Iraq, after rejecting the US military's explanation of the incident

>>The Reuters global managing editor, David Schlesinger, dismissed American claims that Dhia Najim was killed yesterday during a gunfight between marines and insurgents in the city of Ramadi.

>>Mr Schlesinger said video footage taken just before Mr Najim died showed that the fighting in Ramadi, which the cameraman had been filming earlier in the day, had subsided

>> The cameraman, who leaves a wife, three daughters and a son, is the 62nd journalist to be killed in Iraq since the start of the war in March 2003, according to the International Federation of Journalists<<


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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:44 PM
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1. killing another messenger
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:50 PM
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2. a bullet to the head....
he was assasinated by the US.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:01 PM
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4. In a rational world...
who would have ever thought that this would be possible? A foreign correspondant, working for a US ALLY's news agency, deliberately killed by a US sniper? Unthinkable.

Iraq is NOT a rational place anymore.


The Media death toll in Iraq now stands at 51. Shameful.
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Turley Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:44 PM
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9. How do you know?
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 01:44 PM by Turley
Do you have any evidence? Or are you just randomly accusing soldiers of murder?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 03:30 PM
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12. I read when it was first reported yesterday ...
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 03:30 PM by leftchick
he had a bullet to the head. Hmmm, it is not too hard to figure that out now is it?
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:28 PM
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15. Journalist -- bullet to the head -- I had to check back for
where this occurred -- I had this web page up unread and lost track of the subject. Seems like I've read other reports where reports get drugged, shot at, etc. -- Iraq, Russia or Israel has killed a few journalists very recently. I am really getting confused about who the terrorists are and which side is which.

When observers are shot in the head -- which is a difficult shot that takes a certain amount of skill -- seems like one side want to hide or suppress the truth.

Not that all reports are saints and are neutral or are truth seekers -- but they are supposed to be non-combatants.

Checking back -- since the US side seems to have lied about the conditions (battle or calm) -- what are they covering up and why lie? When the military lies -- then they look guilty.

Sort of like the tank that fired directly at a hotel known to house journalists in the early days of this god-forsaken war -- lies lies and more lies from the military.

I suppose the US military feels that if no one can record civilian deaths or troop deaths then gee no one died and this was a bloodless battle????

The point is that the Iraqis know about the deaths -- the only people who aren't supposed to know is us back here -- if we don't see the images than we won't care that people in a far away land are dying at the hands of the US military (and US troop deaths etc) -- directed by that giggling bastard in the white house.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 09:01 PM
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19. I'm accusing n/t w/o reading further -Habit of USsnipers n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 03:03 PM
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11. JUST ANOTHER MURDER BY US TROOPS
No big deal. More murder by thug troops.




Imagine what US war criminal Colonels would say if we didn't have this picture---

Just a few bad apples.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 03:46 PM
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14. another bush murder
I don't think people outside the US get this bush junta. They're not
clear that these people are REALY heinous criminals, who will murder
and kill whomever they want to until they are put down.

I've heard so many a brit telling me that america elected bush, people
who are utterly clueless as to the nature of the criminal... and
i'm sure similar folks stood round touting how hitler was tough
on terrorism back in the 30's and that appeasment was appropriate.
Ironic that the smarties who claim to have learned from history are
duped again in to supporting murderers. I hope tony blair's
successor gets it right, and puts the murderers at arms length.

Oh, we just popped one of your citizens for reporting bad stuff about
our war, and our war crimes, so we killed him, just following the
israeli "liberty" precedent, and killing someone who might report
uncomfortable information to stop our aggressive war.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:52 PM
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3. We owe this guy's family.
I doubt his family is allowed to sue, and I doubt they'd win. But we owe his family. Our country is guilty of murder.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:10 PM
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5. over 100,000 murdered in Iraq alone....
All so Bush can strut on the deck of an aircraft carrier.
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Macadian Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:16 PM
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6. What would be the motivation....
... for our military to kill a cameraman???

Don't let your paranoia play into their hands.

I agree with Kerry that our soldiers are doing a good job in Iraq. The mission is wrong, not the soldiers.

Crap happens in combat. Friendly fire happens. Its not all part of some big scheme.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:24 PM
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7. Ugly things happen in combat.
Things you wouldn't want recorded in photos.

In Vietnam, an impromptu execution with a pistol round to the head; a little girl running naked and flaming with napalm.

Shoot the photog, grab the camera--no pics.
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:34 PM
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8. Leave no witnesses
Isn't that one of the mottos of da Mafia and most street gangs?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:50 PM
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17. Absolutely right
No independant camera people to show WTF is happening. The military dislikes photographers. And WAR CRIMINAL officers hate them even more.

You can't cover up your crimes if the pictures are allowed to escape and strut into the light of truth.







At least Sabrina stitched him up.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 02:02 PM
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10. Obviously you never heard of Dana Mazan
try googling his name and you will find out what are troops are willing to do to someone in cold blood.

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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 09:03 PM
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20. Control the info-the info war is the main one n/t
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 03:43 PM
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13. Anyone know ?
how many journalists have been killed by friendly fire ?
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:40 PM
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16. Is there such as thing
As friendly fire? When the U.S. fired on a hotel it KNEW was primary residence to many journalists in Bagdhad, does that count?

According to a WSJ article published last year, 12 journalists were killed in just one 3-week period. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, there were 13 deaths in Iraq last year, total. Reporters Without Borders notes that they have been 19 journalists killed in Iraq and many more "media assistants", presumably those Iraqis who have served as translators, drivers, camera assistants, and so forth: http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=20.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:55 PM
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18. Thanks
Some of the reports/descritions of reporter deaths makes one think that some deaths are targeted/deliberate ?
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