Al Jazeera in possession of NEW Bin Laden Tape confirmed....

Al-Jazeera in possession of new Osama Bin Laden 'Message'
Source: TT Exclusive | 3:45:39 PM EST


We have confirmed with both overseas sources and sources inside the United States that Al-Jazeera is indeed in possession of some form of new Osama Bin Laden Message. This message is more than likely a new video, threatening America for re-electing President Bush.

We have been informed by sources asking to remain anonymous that Al-Jazeera has agreed to embargo the new Osama Message for another 24 hours. More than likely this is due to the pressure of the US Government to not air this new tape.

TrackingTerrorism will have more details on what is said in these new Osama video(s), as more information is being delivered to us via courier later this evening.

Developing...

http://www.trackingterrorism.com/Default.asp?dismode=article&artid=662

the rethugs want to silence the world and will use WMD to do it

Peas in a Pod

They've both hijacked religions for their own personal purposes.

How does a just God allow either of them to exist? It is beyond me.

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nightmare... and you are waiting for the people around you to wake up, but they can't, cuz they have been programmed to think the way they do, and there ain't no escapin it.... pretty scarey times we are living in.

For guidance on how to reclaim my beautiful Catholic faith as well as our Democracy for the working poor, sick and other disenfranchised people.

I'm so sad that he was able to use our Pro Life faith that was meant to be personally practiced not dictated to others - to get the vast majority of my fellow parishioners to vote for *.

In her Catholic school elementary class, my daughter has only two little classmates whose parents did NOT vote for *. (Kerry and, believe it or not - Nader) The little boy who became instant friends with her whose folks must have "wrote in" Nader here in Virginia warmed my heart and made me smile.

Please don't assume all Catholics are blind to what I consider this "false prophet." Remember our Catholic Worker and Pax Christi organizations.

Respectfully - May we regroup and come back strong ... TRUE Christians, agnostics, all other beautiful faiths - including Muslims, to show the arrogant what people of faith and spirituality can do when united.

http://www.catholicworker.org/

http://www.paxchristiusa.org/

I have to believe that justice will somehow prevail. I keep remembering Andrew Greeley's criticism and non-endorsement of *'s religious values: "We want more of this?"

Just what I needed to hear about right now. Another Osama threat I suppose.

Worry about it * - the ball is in your court and its up to you now, the whole fucking load!

:dem:

and in the event of another "specatcular attack" watch the idiot's poll numbers soar and never again be held accountable for leaving us so vulnerable. fuck....

the repukes are giving him the benefit of the doubt - another attack and folks will turn.

He better prevent it or else - the fundies will be up in arms. imho

i think we've seen that fundies, freepers and other human garbage really aren't able to think or reason intelligently. if we're attacked again the same braindead idiots will be singing the praises of chimp once again.

Satan. Just as 9/11 was allowed by Gawd as a warning to us to "straighten up" (pun on gay rights intended), the next attack will be again allowed by Gawd as another warning for whatever they are pushing at the time, probably completely getting rid of separation of church and state.

"Let's all rally round the president," Tweety and the rest of the lot will bray.

Fuck them.

9/11 happened on Bush's watch, and he is culpable for it. He will be responsible for the next attack also.

Wake up America! We are less safe. Bush wants to send your sons and daughts to be cannon fodder in Iraq (maybe Iran or Syria next). And you know what -- you probably deserve it for voting for fear instead of hope.

most here today. I'm usually not this slow.

...it's what they DO.:hurts:

The American electorate is STUPID!

and we've already served our purpose for Bush, you know, when he used our tragedy to get reelected and all. Two birds with one stone- he loathes us cafe type libs in NYC, so he'll be rid of us, and he'll get the fundy types to rally around him yet again in a time of tragedy as their fave pres ever.

Their turn.

and I can't afford to move to a blue state. So please don't wish evil on us Southerners.

Hey--let's guide OBL to bomb places in THE US that we don't like.
Some here make it sound like California and Oregon are going to allow terrorists safe passage to get to the red states. I don't want anyone in America to go through what NYC went through.
C'mon people--WTF!

BenDEMinGA

but the west coast is BLUE and we didn't put the asshole back in the WH. I've got room on the floor for any red state blue people who want to be totally blue!

This time it will be the Syrians or Iranians who will be the designated "evilduers".

This will be the opening to continue the PNAC plan to take over the ME. If it happens, the media will have the script in place and they will be praising Bush for his decisive action in taking out Damascus and/or Tehran. They'll even be asking Bush to declare martial law to protect us from terrorism.

Kerry's or Clinton's fault.
Never underestimate (or misunderestimate) the power of stupid people in large numbers.

Professor 2

:shrug: OBL can launch bombs every day of the week, George's got the White House and ain't going anywhere.

Impeach Bush ?
Who ? The GOP controlled House, Senate and SCOTUS ?
I think not.
We are one big, ripe, smelly target right now.


:hippie:

A terra attack could be very similar to Grey's ballooning deficit, no?

Jay

He could fuck dogs, children and old people on stage and they'd still support him.

Think Swartzenegger & Clinton.

Not gonna happen. There are no provisions for it in the federal government.

Noah is in the ark and the door is closed. The fundies pound on the door crying "We're so sorry we voted for *, please save us."

"How long can you tread water?" (Bill Cosby)

Professor 2

thes epeople are UTTERLY clueless to the fact that the Bushites could have and SHOULD have prevented 9-11.
They will laugh hysterically in your face if you try to inform them.

Another attack will NOT wake them up.

I think Fox news transmits some brain eating viral infection...

But then, neither could Kerry. Any promises to do so from either side are just so much empty politicing. Yes, intelligence and law enforcement agencies can make it much more difficult but in the end no one can guarantee safety - Not if the society is to remain at all free.

Sure, Kerry couldn't protect us any more than Bush, however, Kerry offered a viable alternative to Bush's "My way or the highway" foreign policy, that would have made another terrorist attack less likely...

Kerry wanted to enlist the aid of allies; Bush said "Fuck off" to our allies...
Kerry wanted to establish a plan to win the peach; Bush got caught with his pants down and has no clue as to what to do...
Kerry wanted to see to it that the US used it forces in the best possible ways; Bush has shown nothing but contempt for US troops...
etc, etc, etc...

Oh, and in case you missed it, some corporate media channel showed an interview with two mid-East reporters in the wee hours of Wednesday while "everyone" was waiting for Kerry to concede. One reporter worked the London desk of al-Jezeera. He said something rather somber: It was his opinion from his work in and around Iraq that al Qaeda was waiting to see how this election turned out. The group considered Bush's ascent to the White House to be tenuous at best considering he had stolen the election in 2000. In this respect, he did not represent the will of the American people. That's all changed now with Election2004. Bush's "win" indicates he is supported by the American people, therefore, Americans are now targets for al Qaeda strikes. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

And Americans voted for Bush because he would make them safe...:eyes:

Fundies want this war.... they NEED it. they thrive because of fear, because of the US/Them, Good/Evil paradigm. Plus people go to church after tragedy, so it's almost fund-raising.

they'd STILL support him and not notice the hypocricy.

There are enough lies and hypocricies about this scum that it would take a whole day and special forum to list them all. We are all too familiar with the list.

His idiot supporters wouldn't bat an eyelash or split a second thinking about it.

Never will happen.

"even his farts are beautiful"

Just wonder if "bush*" this or "bush*" that will outnumber saint ronnie.

If - or maybe WHEN we're attacked again, it'll be the same old post-9/11 crap about how we have to unite behind Our President. I doubt there will be ANY room for "...but he promised to keep us safe..." stuff that you'd ordinarily expect to result from another attack. They'll just mindlessly run to him for more "protection."

There is a HUGE disconnect out there. Denial like gangbusters. We expected people to do the reasonable, intelligent thing on Election Day, too. They didn't. They went for the knee-jerk jerk.

And when the next attack comes, it'll hit a blue state, too, most likely. That's where the power and money centers are - that Osama seems to like to target.

and I certainly pray it doesn't, my mantra will be - "Bush said he would protect us, that we were safer with him. Why didn't he protect us like he said he would?" I don't care if it is rational to say such a thing. I've learned one thing from neocons - if you say it and repeat it often enough, it will become entrenched in the American consciousness.

It's Rove and the neocons. Celebrate, right-wing America, for bush is victorious! But be afraid!

Life is hell.

The only thing that could possibly be worse than another massive terror strike would be Kerry failing to concede promptly - why, it might hurt the stock market!!!!

We can't disturb the stocks! what will the investors think?

I am certain it was stolen, but that won't matter to the rest of the world.

Too bad though because we aren't all nuts, only 59,117,523 of us are (as of last count anyway).

:eyes:

We are living in an Orwellian universe!

We're fucked people, and I live in Repug central. I'm fried.

What can we do to appease Bin Ladin? I don't want to die because America screwed up and voted * back in.

OBL WORKS for the Bush Crime Family.

Forget your hatred of * for a moment (and believe me, I detest the man), Bin Laden turned Afghanistan into hell on earth for women and would do the same anywhere he could. I want his head on a platter. Maybe because I'm a New Yorker.

Because you are an American...
The behavior that's been going on here lately is making me question my company.

banned before you posted (I know, because I was going to reply, and checked his profile, befoer your post appeared). If someone says something that outrages you, always check the profile - there are still people who just want to stir up controversy on DU for laughs.

I live in the heart of Manhattan a place they will be SURE to hit if New York is on their agenda again and I'M NOT SCARED! Damn, people - GET SOME BACKBONE! This is the kind of world that George has built and we are stuck with it!

vote this asshole into office, do we get amnesty?

just checking.

same shit different election cycle.

report that OBL threatened Red States is true.

Probably the Blue Staters will get attacked again.

They both are trying to destroy America.

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Anyone know what that means? Normally this has to contain a real address; and what does "Status: Locked" mean?

Is this government run? Just a blogger or hacker? Can we believe anything the site says (eg that Al Jazeera submits to US pressure to not show a video?)

especially site asking for "volunteer" reporters.

..."Ministry of (Dis)information" or "Office of Secret plans" written all over it.

And there is half of our country that is too blind to see that fact.

hoping that bin Laden's operatives have
had the time to pinpoint all of the people
who voted for the moron and will try to
minimize Dem collateral damages.

Osama was sitting in his undisclosed secure location (maybe right under our nose -- a Holiday Inn in someplace like Topeka?) watching the election returns right there on his teevee and plotting mayhem. Bush can't find the fucker, didn't stop him, can't stop him cuz he's too damn busy dicking around in Iraq, and we'll get to pay the price.

But does it piss anyone else off that it's all the rural hicks that voted for Bush and 4 more years of Terror, but it's all the city dwellers that will pay the price during another terrorist attack?

according to his video, perhaps a very red state will be next on his list.

Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, he probably isn't quite as diabolical as Rove, for instance.

As someone who works in DC, 6 blocks from the White House, does it piss me off that city dwellers will be paying the price when or if another terrorist attack is made? In two words - hell, yes.

All of those God fearing assholes whose lives were not touched at all by 9-11, who watched the towers fall like it was a sad movie on the Lifetime network, who cried fewer tears for their fellow citizens, innocents all, than they did when Princess Di got killed, and then "got over it" because it did not affect them all that much....these same folks get a MASSIVELY DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE OF THE TERRA FUNDING, while the rest of us living in east and west coast cities are the ones who are on the front lines....yeah, it pisses me off.

Of course, if you listened to that video of our crazyass terrist enemy in his fine white thobe and golden robe, the vapid GOP fools of the heartland may well in time discover a real reason to be VERY AFRAID. When Osama the Thug said he would punish the STATE that voted for weecowboy, he was not talking about nation states. He was talking about RED states.

It makes you wonder about that NG pipeline in TX that blew up today. If he takes the fight to us, what does that say about weecowboy's latest excuse (fight them there, not here) for the unwarranted invasion of Iraq?

So, you are not a dick at all. NYC and Boston cops and firefighters are stretched to the friken limit, but in Podunk, Heartland they have all the latest and greatest crap to defend against an enemy who has not yet shown up. It'll be interesting to see how they react if their asses are ever on the damn line. Let's hope they've taken the time to actually TRAIN on their fancy equipment...assuming they've actually BOUGHT it, and not diverted the cash to some other halfassed project.

It also pissed me off that they make fun of New Yorkers and constantly berate the immorality (insert favorite insult) of city people. Then the hicks act like 9-11 hurt them personally.

naw, too small.

on DU. Thanks.

it enrages me.

I live in the biggest bullseye in the country and these moronic jerks living in the middle of America's asscrack vote for a fascist pig because THEY are afraid of terroism.

I am sick to my stomach thinking about this.

NY, PA DC were all what Kerry won this time around. And I think all were for Gore in 2000.

Send Osama The MAP!

But we do get most of our food and truck drivers from the rural areas. I'm in MN, so if there's huge attacks on rural areas in the winter which disrupt the supply of food I'll have to eat my own shit, or my dog, I suppose.

Maybe it's time to get all 1950's and set up some emergency rations and water.

I'll take a building falling on my head before agonizing slow starvation any day.

After we are attacked in the cities the rural Repubs will wring their hands and claim the attack as "their own tragedy," the same way they appropriated 911 when not a single one of them suffered.

The Good Ole United States of Ignorant Intolerance voted for 'ole GW, so .... let 'em see what they wrought, in spades, Osama.

IMHO, today we deserve it.



:hippie:

But I was thinking the exact same thing myself. Bring it on. Ya gets what ya pays for.

but for different reasons. I say "lets get it on" and get this thing over with. On our soil, on their soil ... whatever. Just come out and fight and we can settle this. You'll find no "it's better to fight them there than fight them here" cowardice from me.

Jay

Jayfish wrote: "You'll find no "it's better to fight them there than fight them here" cowardice from me."

Richard Clarke had a good response to this in an interview last night.

When Perle spouted the line about fighting terrorists over there so as to not have to fight them at home, he said "we don't really get to make that choice" the clear implication being that the terrorists will make that decision, not Bush.

- b

WE are the ones messing with people's countries and stealing their resources. Terrorism is easy to stop without any fight. You simply leave people and their stuff alone.

Our country has messed with everyone on the planet and we deserve what we are getting in return.

haven't heard, WE LOST THE ELECTION. We're not going to stop messing and stealing. So why not just have it out with them here instead of putting people at risk who have nothing to do with any of it (see Iraq)

Jay

As long as no one I love and care about is hurt, I could give a shit. Bring it on Osama! And to all those idiots who thought Bush was keeping us safe, I hope it's you and your loved ones that go first.

Please don't throw that out into the universe.

He told us our security was not in Kerry's hands or *'s hands, it was in ours, he was not endorsing any canidate, but telling us we needed to pay attention to who we elected and then make sure that person takes our best interest consideration. Let's face it people we are screwed, because you all know that * does not have our best interest at heart. He even pointed out that * has deceived us, and yet the sheeple don't get it.

to educate America. probably wants to congratulate hsi ole drinking buddy.

We don't need OBL, we have Bush. All us suckers in between.

I'm just mentioning it.

was watching the electoral map? :shrug:

San Diego County went red.

:tinfoilhat:

were "called out" by Osama, then NY and CA went Dem and did not contribute electoral votes for Bush and by Republican logic should be "safe." Houston, however, may have a problem.

Unfortunately, I suspect Osama is not that "nuanced."

Do you really believe that makes New Yorkers "safer"?

.....he was refering to "nation states" but the RW media whores thought it sounded better if it threatened the election

who started that nonsense. Osama is going to want a target that will be recognized world-wide. It aint gonna be any red state.

Well, we're economy central here in NYC- we are the fucking front line. We are the first fucking soldiers in the so called war on terrorism, and we'll probably be called on to serve, surprise!- pretty soon.

California's is the worlds 7th largest economy (I've also hear the fifth). A major attack on Southern Cal (and Northern Cal for that matter)...economically devastating.

If Florida or Texas are hit, it's Osama. If a blue state is hit it's homegrown.

I hate to say it, but I wish the bastard the best of luck.

Let Osama and the Repugs join in holy matrimony for all I care.

He should, he helped the prick get elected.

I can't help to think that there is not another version with Kerry winning.

BTW, If I lived in Ohio, I'd be a little more concerned.

n/t

Now the chimp knows the people of DC detest him! They know, yes they know he's a jerk smirking on TV this afternoon and has no interest in them. I'd like to see Osama wipe that smirk off once and for all.

90%-9% with the others getting 1%.

I have many friends that live in DC and they say no one can stand his ass. And they truely showed how they felt when 90% of the people voted against him. Who better to know what dirty tricks you are up to then your neighbors.

"HAHAHA SUCKERS!!! THOUGHT I DIDN'T WANT BUSH? FOOLS"

tape but the are a few articles about releasing the remainder of the Friday tape. (I think the Daily Star is from Bangladesh.)

Osama bin Laden said on Wednesday in a full Internet broadcast of a video, partly aired by Al Jazeera last week, that George W. Bush had dragged America into a quagmire in Iraq and warned of retaliation for Iraqi deaths.
In the video, posted on Web sites often used by Islamists as results from the US presidential election were being announced, bin Laden said Bush had ignored advice against waging "an unjustified war on Iraq for which there would be no end".

"The black gold (oil) blinded him and he put his personal interests above the general interests of America so the war took place, many died, American money was squandered and Bush was dragged into a quagmire in Iraq which threatens his future," the al Qaeda leader said in the tape, dated October 24.

"More than 15,000 of our people were killed and tens of thousands wounded and more than 1,000 of your people (Americans) were killed and tens of thousands wounded. Bush's hands are sullied with the blood of those on both sides just for oil and to employ his private companies," bin Laden said.

http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/11/04/d41104130691.htm

on a tape, in my opinion. I didn't see any reference to this tape on the al-Jazeera website.

http://www.trackingterrorism.com/default.asp?dismode=article&cat=4&artid=659

There were 2 tapes: One if Kerry won, and one if * won.

Nothing anywhere else on it. Tracking Terrorism? Mighty big scoop for them if it's true. Which it isn't.

for giving him 4 more years of attacking the wrong country, and providing him with the best possible climate for recruiting new Islamic martyr's.

(the first part has more than a little truth. Osama considers the followers of Saddam's branch of Islam to be heretics. Add to that that Iraq was a mostly secular dictatorship, with the Mullah's not getting the last word, and I don't think he was all that upset with our attacking mexico instead of Japan.)

Or maybe they don't have one to themselves?

david

...wow that didn't take long.

edit: bad typing, holding guitar

us how dangerous things are, followed by junior telling us to go shopping and feel safe.

at least i'm close to Canada.

But hey, I'm in a blue county!

The only worthwhile "targets" are places with lots of people, unless we're talking about biological warfare. So much to look forward to.

The only way terrorists will hit the south is if they can pull together another Bush-sized stadium rally and try to hit 25,000 or more people at one time and you know that ain't gonna happen - so rest easy. Even California does not stand the chance of being hit so much as New York does. California's people live more spread out than New Yorkers do. New York presents a target of people in such magnitude of numbers, all over the entire island of Manhattan, that ANYWHERE they choose to hit, they will score thousands of victims.In just one large sized New York apartment building live more people than occupy some entire southern towns.

Minnesota rocks. True BLUE, baby.

thinking that suicide bombers were going to appear in her upscale supermarket.

Maybe now she'll really have something to worry about.

She also has a wonderful 17-year-old son. I'm just hoping that his superior drumming skills will put him in some band rather than in the sand.

He's going to hit us where it hurts financially. New York was is and will remain target #1, blue or not.

to be bothered with.

I think I read that they sent the Marine Band to Iraq last year.

One to congratulate American if they elected Kerry.

The other more ominous if the choice was Bush.

This has sort of verifed a feeling that I have thatBin Laden also has a personal grudge against the Bush family and America will pay for it.
I always suspected that thebattakcs of 9/11 woyld not have occred if Gore won in 2000.

I think I would expect Al Qaeda to act sometime in the next 9 months because if yuu look at the two attacks on the , both came shortly after a presidential election, within the first year. In 1993, nad in 2001.

is to sit back and do nothing and watch * fuck up this country to its destruction with his asinine policies.

Our domestic terrorists in power is the paramount issue for me these days. I'm gay so they're eventually going to make it legal for gays to be killed, just as the Bible says it's okay to do. :eyes: Therefore, I'd rather be killed by a foreign terrorist and die for a form of persecution worth having.

I feel more like the animals in the learned helplessness experiments.

<b>This message is more than likely a new video, threatening America for re-electing President Bush.</b>

Threatening? How about thanking? Nobody is happier about this sham of an election than Osama and everybody knows it.

and tells the world that he is happy that Bush won the election because the clueless motherfucker is playing right into the terrorists hands.

The dumbfuck Bush voters till seem to think that Bush somehow has the terrorists on the run because of Iraq. Fucking clueless morons.

Osama says... Thanks for letting me get away. I know you worked a deal with my family /your business parteners that my life be spared and I be exiled to the private island owned by my family. The 84 room mansion is not much but it will have to do.

and Oh yes don't let me forget. Thanks for calling off the nasty special forces just before they killed me

Osama is just taking credit but he didnt do it.

helping with the family business, Religious War.

In light of what we now know about AbuGhraid, I foudn this quite interesting to review... http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/08/1635862.php
The news clip includes the video Mazen Dana was shooting before being killed.

According the news report, the US military claimed Iraqi insurgents fired rocket propelled grenades into a prison holding Iraqi prisoners of war, killing 6 Iraqis and wounding 60.

Locals claim no such mortars were fired but that US troops killed the Iraqi prisoners who were protesting for better conditions...

Crawford, TX.

Bush*, no doubt, will be spending a lot more time there now.

.

And knows now which states supported *?

That is where he screwed up on 9/11, hitting NY and DC, and PA, which were clearly NOT for *

Or maybe he knows and is planning his next move.

On the flip side, maybe Osama engineered the three hurricanes through Florida!!!

How ironic is it that Bin Laden's video came out this week? We haven't heard from the guy in years, then a couple of days before the election he's making a video. All pretty coincidental. I wonder if he filmed it while he was staying at Camp David? Incidentally, on the Aljazeera website the video came out last week. And this little detail about OBL retaliating for quagmire in Iraq was left out???? God, is everyone in the media in bed with everyone in the government???

with his Guys and Guns. I wouldn't put it past the ADMINISTRATION to have a double, they took a cue from that crazy, crazy guy that use to rule Iraq. Is is another attempt to justify asking for a supplimental $70B, perhaps OBL will request the money directly and save the USA all that unnecessary contractor markeup. How transparent, maybe this time there will be dancing girls and strobe lights. Cool!

Let's see were about due for another "incident", perhaps the timing of the Ashcroft resignation has something to do with the release of the CIA report that Names, Names!! Or perhaps another attack, sorry I'm a cynic after all I have lived under WD40 for three years and 10 months.

That strongly have sugested that Al QWaeda has threatened to attack every statre that supported Bush.

There were several times during Bush's acceptance sppech when he looked almost pale, and on instance in which photographers were taking picttures of him and caught him with an extremely worried, pale, almost frightened look on his face. I belive that hje was informaed of some of this chatter just before going out to make the acceptance speech and know full well that any attacks that occur during his second term will be totally his responsibility. Al Qaeda has a running success rate of 95 percent in accomplishing any attacks that they have planned, and anything they have warned people about before has actually had a higher sucess rate.

There are also reports that Al Jazeera had two tapes, one to congratulate the U.S. for electintg kerry, with hints that attacks on U.S. soil would not occur again because of this.

And another one if Bush was elected warning that they would attack every state that Bush won.

Kerry never even mentioned getting to the root causes of Islamic terrorism in the US; to begin with, contemplating withdrawing troops from Saudi Arabia. He said over and over that he would hunt down and destroy Bin Laden.

We're gonna have to pay for the oil with our lives instead of our dollars.

PNAC plan was to take over Iraq and the Middle East, and it's oil fields, with strategic bases so we can cut the Saudis loose, or something like that. Am I reading into the whole thing wrong.

I'd like to see the tape.

I just had a dream about them attacking the southern states.

I have thought about this scenario for awhile. I never thought The Fascist would be reelected. How could he? He is so inept! But, alas, I forgot the bigots of this country are easy to pander to and many are not bigots, but are as intellectual uncurious as their beloved leader. So what now?

I don't think the next attack will be "spectacular" in that it will be a big target. OBL has made it clear he wants us to suffer economically and to really terrorize us. How could he achieve this? Hit big businesses, like Wal-Mart. Basically, he could activate people like the suicide bombers in Israel and other nations. This would mean, there may not be a high body count or massive damage, but honestly, don't you think 5 suicide bombers blowing themselves up in crowded Wal-Marts in suburban or rural areas would evoke more terror than taking down, say, the Sears Tower? If he hit "small," it would show he can get to us ANYWHERE, and I think THAT is what would cause massive panic in this country.

Just my thoughts.

I am now. Good lord that is a scary senario.

Note: I boycott Wally World, so personally I feel I'm not at risk, but living in freeperville (OK), we are knee deep in Wal Marts.



*goes to bed kinda freaked now*

Yes, OK has more than enough Wal-Marts! Yikes! Didn't mean to scare you, but I have thought about it often. Growing up as a Jew, I am familiar with tactics employed against Jews. Also the "hit and run" types seem to scare more people because it makes it even more personal.

I hope you sleep well! :)

I'm not super-arrogant but a person who has a high threshold for fear and emotional paralyzing. But you're right Kay, I now feel afraid for not only our Country but the welfare of the World.

Double YIKES! Too weird, I feel like Bullwinkle is running America ... the poor Military leaders are like Rocky the Squirrel, "What now?"

Excuse, dark humor is therapeutic for me.

sending 5 suicide bombers into 5 random walmarts would make them a ghost town of aisled shopways.

on this to my sister yesterday. I believe we will start seeing suicide bombers in this country. Talk about the fear! If people start dying and smirky and friends do nothing to stop it, no amount of religion in the world is going to stop the True Believers™ from turning on him. I believe that these people love their families as much as anyone else and won't stand idly by while he vacations.

The Wal-Mart scenario would play into that PERFECTLY. Hits the "heartland of America" while killing the economy in the process.

You're DEFINITELY onto something.

yes, WalMart, could be anywhere. We are not protected. But if they do make a hit, I sincerely hope they take out Bush & Cheney. That would not bring tears to my eyes, at all.

Oh, by the way. Do NOT tell the red people what you are doing, or why. If OBL really does want the red folk, hey, they voted for him. Him as in OBL and *. You get two for the price of one very misplaced vote.

That would be too bad if the whole country was afraid to go into a Wal-Mart. </sarcasm>

We knew it would happen and the sheep still elected Shrub. Let's see how he handles this. We know he's "strong on terrorism".

I wish people would wake up.

after an attack?? :eyes:

Not a new tape, but the portion of the last Bin Laden tape that was suppressed before the election. In it, according to NPR, he talks about Bush being dazzled by Iraq's oil.

The original videotape given to Al Jazeera is now on the internet for download, and that is the "new" tape NPR is talking about.

But there are also the two NEWER tapes made for release after the US election, depending upon who wins.

I spent time looking at http://www.trackingterrorism.com after some DUers expressed doubts. The site is very lengthy and has been posting otherwise obscure news in the ME for a long time, so I don't think this is a hoax. The main page also has links to a series of updates from yesterday regarding what is happening with these new tapes. The latest update is here:

http://www.trackingterrorism.com/Default.asp?dismode=article&artid=670


Al-Jazeera's New Osama Bin Laden Video - UPDATE 2
Source: TT Exclusive | 7:30:38 AM EST


We will attempt to update our readers on the status of the new Bin Laden tape. As we have said earlier, we have confirmed the actual existence of this new Osama Bin Laden video. Al-Jazeera is currently still on an embargo for a few more hours and cannot air any portion of this video tape. They have been put on embargo by the US Government wishing to investigate the video tape before its release.

Al-Jazeera Television's embargo is similar to what we saw last week with the original Osama Bin Laden video. After US Government review, Al-Jazeera chose only to air 5 minutes of the entire 18 minute video. Al-Jazeera will be presented again with the option of airing any portion of this new video tape. In the past, Al-Jazeera Television has never sat on any message from Osama Bin Laden for more than 24 hours.

Currently, the airing of this video tape is in the hands of Al-Jazeera. While it is very likely that they may air the tape immediately following the embargo, it is also likely that they'll sit on it for another day or two. We have again attempted to speak with Al-Jazeera regarding the video tape, but however they appear to be on a gag order and cannot release any additional information about the tape's existence.

We can assure you that it does exist and soon we will all being seeing it on national TV. The tape is said to be currently leaked online on a few remote and highly secret Al-Qaeda Websites. Militants are already praising its release, making comments such as "Soon the American People will see the edited version". We hope that by making the tape's existence known publicly prior to the national media, that we do indeed see the entire tape as it could be crucial to the future of the United States. We do not believe in suppression by the US Government in something as significant as an OBL tape. As we get more information that we can share, we will immediately inform our readers.

Developing...

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So I don't know how much of the tape we will actually get to see when it is first released in the western media. Keep checking with http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage because they will post the full transcript sooner or later.

He actually NEEDS an attack about right now.

You wanted him. You got him. Now you can watch him with a bullhorn on top of burning bodies (after he runs away for awhile) and you can cry and pray. And then you can say to yoursleves "goddamn it, we've been had. Bush isn't keeping us safe". Sometimes the dumb need to learn the hard way.

why we lost. Even UBL didn't think Kerry would be a bigger threat than Bush. We've lost the election and quite possibly touch with reality.

If only I could laugh instead of cry. Whose reality are you talking about?

Great, OBL thinks * is a bigger threat. So now we have * and if you believe there is another tape, perhaps another threat. Are you feeling safer now?? I'm not and won't until OBL is gone along with Al Qada...which will be a very, very long time.

He was more afraid of Bush getting elected, rather than Kerry. Once again, we've lost touch with reality.
You say you won't feel safe until he's gone? If Kerry was such a big threat to him, why is he now pissed that Bush has won? He's afraid.

doesn't make me feel any safer, regardless. Does it make you feel safer??

It tells me, maybe we were suppoting the wrong guy in blind belief he would be harder on terrorists. Mean while, the terrorists were more in fear of the guy we voted against.
Reality check?

That I am not as scared of OBL as I am of President Bush.

Anyone else feel this way?

has a much more direct impact on everyone's lives and hurts so many more people.

follow such a crazed nut like Osama, but we have our own group here in the religious right. They are just as crazy. If Osama does hit us again there will be no stopping the religious right from taking complete control of our government in 2006, because this is a holy war to them and another sign of end times which they are trying to bring about so Christ can come again.

I'm telling you people, scary, VERY scary.

along since 9/11 that the next attack will be in the so-called "heartland". Now with Ohio being the so-called deciding state of the idiot's election I honestly feel Ohio is the next target. There was an arrest in Columbus a year or so ago where they were targeting a mall. I bet there are other co-conspirators that were not arrested. I routinely go to OSU football games but I think that will be put on hold for a while. I hope I'm being nothing but paranoid here but honestly - I'm scared.

...embargo this tape for 24 hours. Could it be that OBL is announcing that a new attack is supposed to take place within that time frame and the NeoCons want to make it look like another surprise attack instead?

Need I say more?
As of 4 years ago this is no longer a free nation...now step to the side so you can be deloused and enter the gas chambers of shitty pay, no health insurance and poluted air.

We'd like to see this reported by a reputable news source before we allow it back in LBN. So far, no one else has picked up on the story, and the tape hasn't surfaced either. Feel free to repost in a different forum.