Ex-policeman dies in Baghdad bomb (ARMED MERCENARY)

Ex-policeman dies in Baghdad bomb

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/3986671.stm

John Barker was killed alongside an Iraqi man in the car bomb attack
A former police officer from Kent, who was working as a security contractor near Baghdad, has been killed in a suicide car bombing in Iraq.


John Barker was killed alongside an Iraqi man in the car bomb attack


John Barker, from Leeds, near Maidstone, was working on a project at Baghdad Airport on Wednesday when he was killed in the explosion.

An Iraqi national also died when a bomber detonated his car at a busy checkpoint being manned by both men. Mr Barker was employed by the private security firm, Global Risk Strategies.

fuck him.

You may want to take a step back and look at your staement. Maybe it was made in anger?

He killed for profit. The world's better off without him.

You have absolutely no evidence that he did.

He was manning a checkpoint. He probably was killed for the same reason that all foreigners, aid agencies, are being targeted - reconstruction under an American sponsored regime is an anathema to these people.

- C.D.

Better him than one more innocent Iraqi.

...by just manning a checkpoint.

Look, I know you're pissed about the Iraq war. I'm sure you believe is was a mistake. So do I. But that doesn't make every single American who is over there some kind of genocidal monster just because they happen to get attacked.

Please don't let your anger lead to you celebrating anyone's death. Hell, I don't celebrate the death of convicted murderers, and they deserve it way more than this guy.

- C.D.

If Mexico invaded the US and set up 'checkpoints' to stop 'terrorist' attacks.

I don't think I feel comfortable judging someones life and actions from a 100 word bbc article.

That's all I need to know.

actually, so your reading comprehension seems lacking as well as your humanity. How do you know he killed anybody?

You don't seem to know much. But raw emotional reaction is better than being presumptuous enough to judge the quality and value of someones' life, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt..

"Oh! gee! All we now about that guy is he flew an airplane into the Pentagon! We really don't know what kind of person he was! He was somebody's son! He was somebody's dad! We don't know if he was a bad person or not! Let's give him the benefit of the doubt!"

nt

dead troops bad. Or fuck them all? Just curious.

I really don't care what happens to mercenaries.

troop who dropped the bomb, or fired the arty round that did that damage.

Should they die too?

but will not judge someones life with "fuck them they deserved to die".

Sorry in my book that is wrong.

thinking that I have come across in a long time.

I don't feel required to convince you of anything.

We must also observe that of all the arguments aforesaid it is easier with some to see why and where the reasoning leads the hearer astray, while with others it is more difficult, though often they are the same arguments as the former. For we must call an argument the same if it depends upon the same point; but the same argument is apt to be thought by some to depend on diction, by others on accident, and by others on something else, because each of them, when worked with different terms, is not so clear as it was. Accordingly, just as in fallacies that depend on ambiguity, which are generally thought to be the silliest form of fallacy,

Aristotle
On Sophistical Refutations


There are books on this stuff if you have a few weeks to kill.

will never ever get any respect from me EVER!:cry:

Make money from war pictures. They build their careers and get to wear cooler clothes than the other anchors. They are their for money, are they fair game? American journalists, what about foreign journalists, or Italian aid workers. Fuck them too?

What about contractors moving supplies, or foreigners in general. Who exactly deserves to die?

You see my point?

There might be innocent Iraqi's on this website.I wonder how much blood money he made,evil goof(not you, him)

A lot of "someone's dad" have been killed, most were Iraqi, and they were killed by the US military.

This merc was there to make money, there was nothing noble about his reasons, he just wanted to fill his pockets.

:eyes:

What is your point? That merc went there to make obscene amounts of money killing OTHER people's dads, sons, MOMS and CHILDREN. Whether he actually killed anyone yet is beside the point. He would have got around to it eventually.

And I don't care if he's Brit or Murkin. Good riddance.

The only one's I'm crying for are the INNOCENTS and he doesn't qualify.

What's wrong with you?

Someone took the Democrats away and replaced them with black hole nihilists.

By the way, you're making Democrats look incredibly hateful and soulless. If I didn't know better, I'd think that was on purpose.

"you're making Democrats look incredibly hateful and soulless."

I stopped caring on Nov. 2 what the pollyannas think of me. I'll save my tears for the Iraqi children maimed by the mental cripple that occupies Our House. Fuck the mercs!

OK, fine. You want to paint me as a pollyanna? I'm a realist.

Let me know what you see next time you look in the mirror.

is someone is someone who doesn't buy into destroying the entire planet for our greed. And someone who's tired of playing the game.

"He who does not speak out is assumed to consent". Can't remember who said that.

>>is someone is someone who doesn't buy into destroying the entire planet for our greed. And someone who's tired of playing the game. <<

That's fine. But still, how can you possibly rejoice in another's death?

>>"He who does not speak out is assumed to consent". Can't remember who said that. <<

I don't remember, either. If I don't speak out either, it would be assumed that I consent ... and condone your statement. And I don't. I'm not telling you to "shut up" - but I can't let that pass. Would you say that to this man's family face to face? Could you?

and it's WRONG to dislike a mercenary in an illegal war?If I didn't know any better, I would think that you like war criminals.

>>and it's WRONG to dislike a mercenary in an illegal war? If I didn't know any better, I would think that you like war criminals.<<

Well, I'm glad you know better, because that is the further thing from the truth ... and a mistating of my position.

I did not say you couldn't dislike them. There are plenty of people I dislike for their positions, but I would never, ever say "Fuck 'em!" if they were killed. That's a line I can't cross... sorry.

That man has a family. As I asked up-thread, would you say that to them in person, to their face? As difficult as it is to do, I'm trying to separate the politics from the humanitarian issue here. Are human beings only worthy if they match your beliefs? Are they a waste of space and air if they don't? Do you think MLK would celebrate the death, or worse, dismiss the death, of an opponent?

A life is a life. It doesn't matter if the person living it was Iraqi, British, Russian, etc.

"That man has a family. As I asked up-thread, would you say that to them in person, to their face?"

He has. His family are out there and have read this. Next time you start posting tripe like "Good." and "Fuck him." about someone dying, engage your brain first, heartless cunts.

Yes, the war is horrible - but attack the chickenshit politicians behind the war, not the men and women who are trying to make a living for their families.

won't vote for our candidates and we will stop winning Presidential and Senate races! :o

>>Oh, no! If Democrats look hateful and soulless, maybe Repubs and indeps won't vote for our candidates and we will stop winning Presidential and Senate races! <<

...that wasn't my point for saying so, but it can't help, can it? Look, Alan Keyes didn't make any friends during his ill-fated race against Obama. Obama wiped him out. Keyes was so far out there, and so strident, in a very badly-run race that I'd bet a whole bunch of Independents and Republicans *did* vote for him, or left the box blank.

He took the risk and he lost. Big deal. It was his choice.

"fuck him, I,m glad he is dead" is not in my book.

>>That's rational ... "fuck him, I,m glad he is dead" is not in my book. <<

That's all I was trying to say. Thank you for saying it better than I did.

Golly, you'd think he would've known better.

Them's the breaks, when you're a merc.

putting lipstick on a pig. He was a mercenary for God's sakes, armed to the teeth and out to kill.

they're not telling us he was an "aid worker". "Aiding" them Iraqis get to hell quicker is how they would spin it if questioned.

Gyre

He was "working on a project."

"ex-police officer" = hero.

This guy was there to "LINE" his pockets

their life just to kill a few random people at a check point. How can you possibly defend yourself from this? None of the deterrents that apply to the western culture would seem to affect these people.

seem to apply to the U.S. government anymore, either. Maybe even not a majority of the population, depending on how rampant the vote fraud was.

it took to fly a Zero into a warship, or hand crank a "submarine" with a mine on a stick into a Federal warship..

This is nothing new to warfare or the west.

Yes, they're like rabid animals, aren't they?

:eyes:

Threaten them with the death penalty?

Nobody wants to owe up to the fact that when it gets to the point where you are fighting martyrs, you are probably going to lose, unless you are willing either come to terms with what is fueling the extremism, or be a party to the annihilation of the entire culture. The US seems to be taking the simpler annihilation approach.

Chimp's policy for "freedom and democracy" hasn't been defined in any practical way, so I naturally assume that the most horrible methods will be used to attain his "goals"

They were marytrs..Until their culture was collapsed and the got tired of dying. Nothing new under the sun.

Martyr and Islam are not the same. Just like Japanese and Kamikaze are not the same.

To simply answer your question you destroy it. The methods can be psychological or physical. My 2 cents, I'm not a psychologist or war planner so..

We invaded the country and this guy is part of the occupying force. No one drafted him. Good ridance i say.

Is it easy to judge the value of a dead mans life?
Just wondering.

If thats your definition of normal I'll take sanctimonious any day.

Buh Bye!

has no concept of structured argument period. Dead Greeks or any other form.

I don't argue with goldfish, or pufferfish...

I will be happy to actually discuss something if you feel like discussing something other than my "logic".

eom

He was probably making good money. Oh well, too bad, so sad. Money trumps life I guess.

------The company has around 1,500 contractors of various nationalities working in Iraq.------

Oh yeah, Rummy said we had enough soldiers.

Sorry, I do not mourn for this man.

Global Risk Strategies? Well, you took a risk, them's the breaks.

RL

the biggest group after Great Briton.I guess you could call them "The Coalition of the Billing."

:D (ow, my sides....)

Really, such a quick death is too kind to such pieces of shit. Mercenaries are just prostitutes who offer murder instead of sex to the highest bidder, and like good whores they do whatever the Money tells them to.

Hell is too cold for that fucker.

:puke: