House Dems Seek Election Inquiry - Wired

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65623,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2

Three congressmen sent a letter to the General Accounting Office on Friday requesting an investigation into irregularities with voting machines used in Tuesday's elections.

The congressmen, Democratic members of the House of Representatives from Florida, New York and Michigan, cited a number of incidents that came to light in the days after the election. One was a glitch in Ohio that caused a memory card reader made by Danaher Controls to give George W. Bush 3,893 more votes than he should have received. Another was a problem with memory cards in North Carolina that caused machines made by UniLect to lose 4,500 votes cast on e-voting machines. The votes were lost when the number of votes cast on the machines exceeded the capacity of the memory cards.

In their letter, representatives John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, Jerrold Nadler of New York and Robert Wexler of Florida asked the GAO to "immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to difficulties they encountered and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration."

A shout out for Dems with spines!!!

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com

http://www.blackboxvoting.org

Donate for their huge FOIA action !!

Hi All,

Like most here, I have anguished over the election and the possibility of election fraud. This is made more real, personally, since I observed the ES&S touchscreen machines err in Dallas, TX.

So, instead of using much of our valuable energy fighting for existing election machine changes, I suggest that we short circuit the problem by leading an effort to design and produce an Open Source voting system. This is easier than it sounds and can leverage the vast technical resources at DU and elsewhere. One has only to look at all the successful software developed for LINUX.

Using an Open Source model we can build an election system that is open and transparent to all scrutiny. The end-game would be the gift or sale of the technology to all counties, cities, and sates at no more than cost. If managed properly, we could undermine the existing corrupt e-voting companies and enable fairer voting by cash strapped governments. Eventually voters would demand their votes be counted on trustworthy equipment.

Since I have not the resources of a Soros, I can volunteer only time and skill. To that end, I now volunteer to coordinate this effort and look forward to hearing from all similarly motivated individuals. I also suggest that Skinner and company consider setting up some forum space which will enable the initial and continuing dialog on this effort.

Working together we can lick this problem and lick the Repubs at their own game.

Sincerely,

MHR

http://www.open-vote.org

Geeks could save this Democracy.

the repukes like it fine working the way it is now,
they'll never change to a uniform system with validation.

Before I pass on it would be nice to say that voting in America was corruption free and that all votes will be counted.

I expect to live at least another 30 years.

That should be enough time to change hearts and minds.

I'm a compter scientist.

If you watch the mainstream media, they make a big hullabaloo over the whole thing, like e-voting is some shamanistic mystery that only few can understand. Hooey. I'm a software engineer and the whole thing revolves around making sure a system isn't hackable, and the way you do that is by UNPLUGGING THE MACHINE. I know it's great to have voting computers all networked together to submit results, but what's the trouble in taking out a memory cartridge and plugging it into a master computer? The poll workers wouldn't have to carry anything larger than a flash card.

The other thing you do to make sure they're not hackable is to get reputable people (i.e. not beholden to anyone but democracy) writing the sourcecode. Registering a vote is about as simple and trivial coding exercise as they get. Heck, I'm working on instructor software right now for the offense industry and there's a lot of selection, picking, voting, etc. that's done.

The truth is, beyond what the media tells the sheeple, is that e-voting is simple and CAN be totally foolproof. And, quite honestly, to prevent the debacles of 2000 and 2004 again, I think I'd love to pitch in. I sat by and did very little but register my outrage during the Reign of DUHbya I and now I think it's time I rolled up my sleeves and did my part.

rule becomes so bad that the American public understands they can't vote them out, and will take action.

Right now, in a divided country, about 45% believe democracy worked because their guy got in.

But how hard can it be to design a system to count votes? It's got to be easier than calculating mortgage interest.

how in WORLD could the cartidges not have enough memory to store all the votes on them. has this world gone completely insane?

And I hope this isn't a replay of that scene out of F911 where member after member of The Black Caucus was shut down by the smug white men in the Senate.

was that Gore asked those smug white men to refrain from helping the CBC.

Should they have ignored his reques? Probably. But it isn't as simple and straightforward as smug white men deciding that the a minority didn't matter.

They are not that bright. It's typical that they would steal it in a sloppy and stupid way and that their lies would be ridiculous.

Faith-based stupidity. Some extreme Republi-can'ts would, no doubt, do anything.......

But some of these machines only have 16-32MB of RAM, which still should be sufficient for storing hundreds of thousands of ballots.

Imagine designing a system that fails to properly warn the user it is out of storage space.

Also, if I recall correctly, Diebolds Accuvote has a 386 processsor, TWENTY PLUS YEAR OLD TECHNOLOGY which they then peddle for $5,000 a pop.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com

My god... America, fleeced again by the entities it seeks to protect at the cost of us. x(

Memory is cheap - there is no excuse for this or the programming errors reported (i.e. using integer data type for vote counts, so that you get overflow errors). This is either purposeful cheating, or incompetence of the highest order.

Remember that this is the same bunch that lied through their teeth about Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction, and were in bed with Enron. Why would they have any compunctions about fraud in this case?

it's 1984

A few hundred bytes?

Even at 1KB, the smallest memory card could hold an entire state.

but I am starting to wonder if the whole purpose of two f'd up elections with issues isn 't just to keep Bush in but to eliminate the need for elections by the public altogether. Keep it screwed up to eliminate it. ....I've had more Repukes tell me, this past year, how we should just be a one party country. Yeah, a one party country means no elections to me....

Kerry = 1.

Bush = 0.

One Megabyte is 1,024,000 bytes (or 1,024,0000 characters).

One hundred megabytes is NOTHING in this day and age of Terabyte devices, forget the Gigabyte which is rather smaller than a Terabyte...

Ho-hum.

Sheesh. My USB memory key module has 2GB of space and is the size of a AA battery.

There needs to be no delimiting factor as the vote field is one byte (one character). So 01101001 means 4 votes for *, 4 for Kerry.

Even I thought that was bizarre and I'm no computer expert.

I don't like the emphasis on "what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration".

WHAT ABOUT FINDING OUT WHAT HAPPENED ON TUESDAY AND FIXING IT NOW??????????

If more fraud is discovered, the results need to be changed and the presidency should go to the right person.

'cause "4 more years" is an awfully long time :argh:

as well as this particular issue.

Hello from Germany,

"Athan Gibbs devoted his life "to making sure voters in future elections would know their votes mattered". He died in a mysterious car crash on Interstate highway 65 in Tennessee in March 2004

Athan Gibbs’ TruVote system was described as ''one of the most promising technologies in the world for fixing democracies". In the wake of the 2000 presidential elections, where than 1 million votes went uncounted for Athan Gibbs invented the TruVote vote-casting system:

"TruVote allows voters to touch their candidates' names on a computer screen and receive receipts of their vote at the end of the process. They can then go to a Web site, punch in their voter validation number and make sure their vote was recorded." (The Tennessean.com, 14 March 2004).

Bob Fitrakis writing in the Global Free Press (17 March 2004), describes Gibb’s TruVote as a Marvel:

"After voters touch the screen, a paper ballot prints out under plexiglass and once the voter compares it to his actual vote and approves it, the ballot drops into a lockbox and is issued a numbered receipt. The voter’s receipt allows the track his particular vote to make sure that it was transferred from the polling place to the election tabulation center."

Police reports state that "Mr. Gibbs lost control of his Chevy Blazer after he cut in front of an 18-wheeler and the two vehicles collided." Fitrakis seriously doubts that Gibbs’ untimely death was an accident:

"Coincidence theorists will simply dismiss the death of Gibbs as a tragic accident – the same conclusion these coincidence theorists came to when anti-nuclear activist Karen Silkwood died in November 1974 when her car struck a concrete embankment en route to a meeting with New York Times reporter David Burnham. Prominent independent investigators concluded that Silkwood’s car was hit from behind and forced off the road… Gibbs’ death bears heightened scrutiny because of the way he lived his life after the 2000 Florida election debacle"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CRG411A.html

Dirk

have an odd habit of dying under mysterious circumstances.

are getting a letter of support from me.

It's about time Democrats became a real opposition party.

Nadler! w00t!

Where can we call/e-mail in support?

:yourock:

http://www.house.gov/writerep/

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com

:hi:

I just phoned about 5 minutes ago this Monday Morning!

His Aide seemed very pleased and surprised that I was aware of, not just the letter but, also the fraud itself.

I'm going to write a letter later today!

to back them up, including Gore.

... Gore was being magnanimous and trying the heal the split country. Sound familiar? A seemingly Democrat thing. Play nice always while the fascist eat our lunch.

Kerry had better be working behind the scenes without the spotlight of the press (to throw them off) at getting to the bottom of this. Otherwise, he is finished outside of Mass. on ANYTHING. And, John Edwards is too as far as I'm concerned.

This we got your back crap and then walk away less than 24 hours later. I'm outraged at the Democratic leadership for allowing black box voting. I've given $100 today at http://blackboxvoting.org .

I'm now giving to political causes with backbone. F* Bush and F* Kerry/Edwards if they walk away. Time will tell.

Other groups need money for funding as well and their efforts are equally as important in the realm of evoting.

http://www.votersunite.org

http://www.openvotingconsortium.org

http://www.verifiedvoting.org

to just name a few.

n/t

I wonder just how many of these machines were used in other states that cost John Kerry the election.

:-(

It may still be too late, but the word on the fraudulent paperless :eyes: machines has GOT to come out.

thing - they are laughing at us - maniacally and hilariously laughing at us.

too many "HUMAN" glitches to provide for the needs of a modern democratic society. Hard copy, "live" paper was never broken, so, why the need to fix something that worked....Gee Whiz!

He helped out against Diebold by posting part of their internal memos and stuff on his official Congressional website - anyone know what, if any, involvement he has in an investigation?

When I think of our senate caucus the term "Boneless Chicken" comes to mind.

from all the election statistics are beginning to look very incriminating. The numbers just do not add up. There are many glaring statistical contradictions that defy logic. These numbers can be used to point out a legitimate need to investigate. we may be seeing the beginning of a scandle. The eye-net population can have a tremendous influence on this. As the numbers begin to circulate and more evaluation of them get posted on the blogs...the nazis electronic theft of the election may come to light.

I suggest these numbers get posted over and over. I am getting more and more and convinced there was a major voting fraud scheme revolving around the voting machines. The numbers are just too out of wack. Lets support black box, lets keep the flames burning on this one...we must fan these flames until it catches fire. Just be aware...if it does it may just blow out of control.