OSCE Says US Election "Mostly" Fair

Note: The OSCE is the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which deployed 92 observers, including 52 parliamentarians.

OSCE Says US Election "Mostly" Fair
Deutsche Welle, Nov 6

...

The newly implemented voting computers with touch screen technology were a source of much concern before the election, though they appear to have passed OSCE muster. There were only "occasional" failures, the organization said.

But several individual observers were more critical in their personal remarks. Polish observer Konrad Olszewski told the International Herald Tribune that the e-voting system in Venezuela was better protected against failures and errors than the computers used in Florida.

"To be honest, monitoring elections in Serbia a few months ago was much simpler," he added. Serbia uses a unified voting system with paper ballots, which Olszewski said he prefers over all other systems.

His Canadian team partner, Ron Gould, also said he thought Venezuela's e-voting system was more fraud-proof than the touch screens used in Florida. "Each electronic vote in Venezuela also produces a ticket that voters then drop into a ballot box," Gould told the IHT. "Unlike fully electronic systems, this gives a backup that can be used to counter claims of massive fraud."

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1386897,00.html

where our elections are "mostly fair?" WTF?

I can't believe we've been duped into this...

article about whether the elections were fair or not, and give examples. I think we really need to get the consensus into the foreign press that there WAS extensive fraud in this election, and the majority of Americans are aware of it.

If Serbia and Venezuela are kicking our ass, what does that tell you.

At lease Chavez can throw this article in Bush's face..

has a third rate voting system for a third rate election in true third world style!

has long lines for its least fortunate

if you are a repub:eyes:

is here.

nothing to see here....next!

?

They are moving toward being a first world country - while we are ever so slowly and ever so surely moving toward third world status.

I watched the OSCE on CSPAN-for 5 minutes.
Boring, useless. When this Swiss hostess asked the audience if there were any questions, and
there was silence, well that's all you need to know.

Oh, and someone called into CSPAN when David Martin/
Lamb were talking Military.
At 8:17 C 040504, this brave guy says bring on Zogby and Bev Harris
Black Box Voting to talk about the EMachines.
They cut him off.

"If Bush retains control of the White House, we can expect
a neocon fascist dictatorship or martial law emergency regime
in 2005 or 2006, possibly as the result of synthetic terrorism.
The neocons are in a desperate flight forward mentality
which seeks to avoid the penal consequences of what they
have already done with Valerie Plame, the Niger
yellowcake forgeries, the Israeli mole scandal, and the
Chalabi betrayal of state secrets. The neocon preference is
for early war with Iran. War with Russia and China cannot
be excluded somewhat further down the
road."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI411B.html

is this whistling-past-the-graveyard horse hockey. Nothing
is going to happen; it’s going to get worse. There will
never again be a legitimate election in this
county.

Until we get rid of the machines.

The people who put the software together—do you think that
they are in this business to promote democracy? To
promote representative government? Then you are a fool,
and you don’t deserve anything other than the lash.

Kerry did not lose the election. The vote was stolen. Get
that through your head."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI411B.html

We've got hours, days, maybe weeks left.

BTW-Fallujah assault began Tuesday (how appropriate).
It failed because the American troops were abruptly forced
to vacate their positions outside of Fallujah after frontline
Iraqi national guardsmen fled from their frontline
positions.

Also rumor that Col. was killed in missile attack.

other Iraqis, and who in their right mind would think they could?

Also agree that this "election" was the biggest fraud in history or tied with 2000 for the fraud trophy. Chimp went through the motions and Kerry agreed to be the sacrificial Dem this time around, but the outcome was never in doubt.

I always knew Kerry's purpose was to not fight for his party and allow the theft to take place again.If John Edwards and George bUSH were hanging off a cliff by one hand,who do you think John Kerry would save first?

exactly.

and i've decided to make sure i add to any conversation with conservatives, republicans: Your vote didn't count.

Worded correctly, it could raise their consciousness to the level of doubt and make them question the legitimacy of the voting machines.

Simply put: They didn't elect *moron, the machines did. And those machines could be just as easily programmed/rigged to produce results opposite of what they want, and against them.

Let them know their sacred right to vote their choice has been supplanted with lines of computer code that does whatever it was written to do. Do they really want to trust a machine? (keep in mind that for several decades after the introduction of simple computers, that the general public still thought of them as 'robots')

Perhaps the Right will be the ones wielding clubs and smashing the machines to bits.

dp

HOUSE: New 7R, 6D. Cynthia McKinney
overwhelmingly won back the seat she held for a
decade before being upset in 2002 Democratic
primary.

Day of the Dead: The Haunting of
the White House
By Cynthia McKinney and Catherine Austin
Fitts
Nov 2, 2004, 07:46

Something is rising from the ashes of September 11: the
spectre of questions that will haunt our country until answered.

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_13213.shtml

Published: Nov 1, 2004
http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_14882.shtml
Grand jury investigation?
On behalf of New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, Chief Investigator William Casey
accepted a Complaint and Petition from a group of New York City citizens including 9/11 family
members, survivors and a Ground Zero triage physician. The Complaint demands that the AG open
a criminal inquiry and/or grand jury investigation into the many still unsolved crimes of September
11, 2001 over which he has jurisdiction.

Marsh opens $230m fund to appease Eliot Spitzer

By Simon English in New York (Filed: 03/11/2004)

Marsh & McLennan, the broker at the centre of America's
insurance scandal, is setting up a $230m compensation
fund as it tries to rescue its tarnished image.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2004/11/03/cnmarsh03.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2004/11/03/ixcity.html

"No Fear" :hi:

First, notice how far NBC's
1-866-MYVOTE1 has gone.

They were showing a USA map.
The reporter kept going from FL to OH.

But what jumped out at me was that every Co
in Georgia was that Maroon (severe voting
problems) color.

Randall Tussaint, who helped register voters and monitor
polls in an eastern Georgia congressional district, cited
a precinct at historically black Savannah State University
where the 25 provisional ballots provided were gone by
11 a.m.

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=938&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Well I won’t back down, no I won’t back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won’t back down

Gonna stand my ground, won’t be turned around
And I’ll keep this world from draggin’ me down
Gonna stand my ground and I won’t back down

Hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won’t back down.

Well I know what’s right, I got just one life
In a world that keeps on pushin’ me around
But I’ll stand my ground and I won’t back down

Hey baby there ain’t no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won’t back down
No, I won’t back down

Petty

:hi:

Undercover agent tapped for CIA post

By WALTER PINCUS
Washington Post

WASHINGTON - CIA Director Porter Goss has selected a 22-year
undercover logistics officer nicknamed "Dusty" as executive
director, the third-ranking position at the agency.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2885188

:hi: seemslikeadream

Full Moon Fever

Bev Harris- DU's Own

BBV: Our position is that fraud took place

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2602324
Voice of the WH November 8 04

...Now, to other matters. There will be an “expansion” of
the military, believe it. Congress will be loathe to pass
a universal draft but the machinery is now in place for
a “specialized, emergency draft” that will go after: Medical
people like young doctors and nurses and MTAs and
most especially anyone between 18 to 34 who is a
computer engineer. And you can put money on that one,
believe me. Bush will expand into Syria because they do
not have the Bomb but Iran is still at the top of the list of
“Evil People” to remove from the earth. The plans to hit
that country are still very much alive and they are waiting for
the inevitable terrorist attack here in the US to blame Iran and attack it.

http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a1173.htm

...in this country."

Exactly, right. It's over. The dictatorship is consolidated.

Mostly fair, is that like mostly honest?

..thought he got a mandate.

Mmmmm, nice.

This is what recidivist thieves tell the judge at sentencing.

care get into contact, let me know. I write the music. Heck! We can have different versions for whatever format: a country version, a hip hop version, a pop version, an adult contemporary version. Let's sound it out.

:-)

hello - the standard here must be "beyond reproach". anything else is unacceptable.

as in fair everywhere except Florida and Ohio ?

Hmmmmmm?

I'm not bitter

I've sat in courtrooms and listened to that kind of testimony. They want to know which wound caused death. That's the wound that "mostly contributed to the death of the decedent." That doesn't help the victim, who is still dead, just like our electoral process is dead if we don't attack the use of those machines with everything we've got.

question: Do you think the US elections were "free and fair"? Please include your name and country in your reply.


subject.. Is the pope Lutheran?

The 2K Florida fiasco was the "new product roll-out"..2002 Georgia (see google "rob georgia" and blackboxvoting.org) was the fine tune..and voile' we have "The Sting-2004"..

Our diabolical president knew better than to make Florida the main event, so the solution was to peel off "extra votes" in safe states to build up the count, and make Ohio the goat this time around.

It's no coincidence that republicans own the companies that MAKE the machines, donate heavily to the republican party, and that 99% of the "oddities" that occur are always in the favor of the republican candidate.

We have been duped once again..

Sorry, world

That is, they stole no more votes than they needed to be ahead of Kerry. Pretty nice of them, yes?

Which is all that was needed.

These observers had no way of looking inside the computer vote machines, so their observations are mostly irrelevant.

as in "slightly pregnant" and just a "small case of
gonorrhea."