Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Saudi Religious Scholars Support Holy War

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:00 AM
Original message
Saudi Religious Scholars Support Holy War
BEIRUT, Lebanon - Prominent Saudi religious scholars have called on Iraqis to support militants waging holy war against the U.S.-led coalition forces, saying fighting the occupation was a duty and a right.


In an open letter to the Iraqi people and posted on the Internet Saturday, 26 Saudi scholars and religious preachers stressed that armed attacks launched by militant Iraqi groups on U.S. troops and their allies in Iraq (news - web sites) were "legitimate" resistance.


The statement came as U.S. troops, backed by air and artillery power, were gearing up for a major assault on the militant stronghold of Fallujah.


The scholars — some of whom have been criticized in the past for their extremist views — issued a fatwa, or religious edict, prohibiting Iraqis from offering any support for military operations carried out by U.S. forces against militant strongholds.

more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=3&u=/ap/20041106/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_scholars_iraq

:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:01 AM
Response to Original message
1. Who can blame them??

What are they supposed to do, stand around and watch us kill more innocent people in Iraq?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. don't balme them, but * better not refer to Saudi as an Ally on his
war on terror.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Just when you thought shrub's misadventure couldn't get any worse
along came a spider..... damn.... I wonder how many people realize just how friggin serious this announcement really is??? This is a horrendous development... just horrendous... but not much more horrendous than what we are doing to the people in Iraq.... tit for tat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #3
14. Anyone who thought that wasn't thinking.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 12:21 PM by TahitiNut
It'll get worse ... much, much worse. There's absolutely no question about it.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:08 AM
Response to Original message
4. How close to the brink is Saudi Arabia
Will they see the connection between the Saudi Royals and the US and rise up against the Saudi's?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. There is considerable discontent with the Saudi government.
It is difficult to obtain a lot of news on the problem, but occasionally word leaks out of armed attacks.

Bin Laden, of course, wants the current rulers out of there. He's probably more upset about them than about the Israelis or our presence in Iraq.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Nik Robertson: Kingdom on the Brink
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. I read and interview where Nik said CNN caved...
in not showing this special before the election. I'm going to try to catch it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. if you get CNNI, it's on now
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
heidler1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. Thus fulfilling OSBs stated purpose in this whole mess.
Bring down the Saudi Royals.

Does anyone really believe that any good will come of U.S. occupation of any part of the Mid/East?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
16. Nah, they only see Laurent Murawiec's fingerprints
Saudi Arabia used to finance the US debt.
Then Bush got in and started flinging money everywhere.
The Saudis tried to reel Bush in and he told them to hit the road.
So they did, in August 2001, and they took their money with them.
Next thing you know, Saudi Arabia is being blamed for 911 -- DESPITE THE FACT that several of the so-called hijackers have turned up ALIVE and one of them, Ameer Bukhari, was DEAD for one whole year (plane crash investigated by the FAA) bfore 911.
But when the neocons tried to go after Saudi Arabia, they found they had bitten off way more than they could chew. So they settled for bombing Afghanistan. Then they persuaded Bush to go after Iraq.

The first half of Murawiec's presentation reads calmly enough, echoing Fareed Zakaria's Oct. 15, 2001, Newsweek essay about why the Arab world hates the United States. Its tribal, despotic regimes bottle up domestic dissent but indulge the exportation of political anger; intellectually, its people are trapped in the Middle Ages; its institutions lack the tools to deal with 21st-century problems; yadda yadda yadda.
But then Murawiec lights out for the extreme foreign policy territory, recommending that we threaten Medina and Mecca, home to Islam's most holy places, if they don't see it our way. Ultimately, he champions a takeover of Saudi Arabia. The last slide in the deck, titled "Grand strategy for the Middle East," abandons the outrageous for the incomprehensible. It reads:
Iraq is the tactical pivot
Saudi Arabia the strategic pivot
Egypt the prize
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2069119

Have you noticed the Anti-Egypt murmering?
No?
Soon it will rise to a cresendo,
right about the time the US attacks Saudi Arabia.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:13 AM
Response to Original message
6. More proof that our "real" enemies were not in Iraq
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:25 AM
Response to Original message
8. Howard Ahmanson says bring 'em on!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #8
22. Who's Howard Ahmanson???
:silly:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:09 AM
Response to Original message
9. "I hear the sound of distant drums"
I hear the sound of distant drums
Far away, far away
And if they call for me to come
Then I must go, and you must stay

I hear the sound of bugles blow
Far away, far away
And if they call, then I must go
Across the sea, so wild and gray

____________

Oh, how the self-righteous Americans do romanticize their wars! We've seen the handwriting on the wall about Saudi Arabia for a long time. If you thought bush's connection between Iraq and 9/11 was stupid, wait until you see the case he makes against Saudi Arabia.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:27 AM
Response to Original message
10. A call for unity...why do I have this strange feeling in the pit of my gut
when I hear that familiar phrase?

Seems it is used by those in power to manipulate people into disregarding what might be in their own best interests in favor of the interests of the ones calling for it.

snip>
The scholars said their appeal was prompted by "the extraordinary situation through which the Iraqis are passing which calls for unity and exchange of views."

The scholars said inter-Iraqi fighting would cause "great damage to the Iraqis and give a free service to the Jews who are infiltrating into Iraq and to the coalition forces which exploit differences to consolidate their domination."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:09 PM
Response to Original message
12. Where is this "Islamist" website?
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 12:38 PM by DulceDecorum
the last time I ran a trace on one
it led straight into Buckingham palace.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:15 PM
Response to Original message
13. Saudi Arabia should obviously be our enemy
if Bush's strong words in his 2001 UN speech mean anything at all, then Saudi Arabia should obviously be categorized as a terrorist state.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:22 PM
Response to Original message
15. After I read the headline, I thought they were supporting our side
then I remembered that our side is the "War on Terra"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:42 PM
Response to Original message
18. and, of course, none of these 'religious scholars'
are anywhere near to picking up a rifle and helping their brothers...as long as someone else does the dying, they're perfectly ok with it (much like our own chickenhawks)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:12 PM
Response to Original message
20. They have no choice but to do this. Bush started a Crusade and this
is inevitable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:39 PM
Response to Original message
21. "Bring it on"
Fuckface is about to find out exactly what that means.

Too bad his twins aren't over there, proving his dedication to this sacred "war" of his. Too bad no Bush kids are over there.

This sonofoabitch has me rooting for a fatwa. Imagine that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:29 PM
Response to Original message
23. That'll be unending Holy War all round, then
Colonel Gary Brandl of the United States Marine Corps commented:
"The enemy has a face. It is Satan's. He is in Fallujah, and we are going to destroy him."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. "... the enemy ... "??????????
See how fast the people we were meant to set free become "the enemy"?

So much for freedom and democracy. Those people were better off with Saddam Hussein in power.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. I was wondering when someone would notice that
Didn't our prez state that we would leave if the iraqis wanted us to leave?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:33 PM
Response to Original message
24. Bush 2 Saudi's, "You can run, but you can't hide, heh, heh" n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat Apr 20th 2024, 08:29 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC