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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:47 PM
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Ukrainians protest alleged election fraud
Ukrainians protest alleged election fraud

ANNA MELNICHUK, Associated Press Writer
Saturday, November 6, 2004


Tens of thousands of supporters of presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko filled Kiev's main square Saturday, joining planned nationwide protests over alleged election fraud.

Vote results from Ukraine's Central Election Commission showed Yushchenko trailing Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych in last Sunday's race, but final results have not been announced and Yushchenko's supporters want a re-count.

Yushchenko backers claim he won 300,000 more votes than Yanukovych. Some exit polls also put Yushchenko in the lead.

The election was seen as pivotal for the democratic future of Ukraine, over which Russia still wields great influence in economic, political and military affairs.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/11/06/international1008EST0478.DTL
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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:59 PM
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1. Uh, hello, how about a similar response here??
I feel like this is what we should be doing in this country. We Dems have every reason to believe that election fraud has been used to elect Bush. Shouldn't we be on Capitol Mall and elsewhere protesting the outcome right now? Am I wrong in feeling that? Maybe we should wait until the results are final? I don't know but I wish I did.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:13 PM
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2. I think it's interesting how in this story, the exit polls
conflicting with the results is used as an example of the grounds why Ukraines believe fraud was perpetuated.

And in America, it's the "bloggers fault" for disseminating exit polls which "confused" voters.

Christ, what a dark age.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:59 PM
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4. No kidding. What is it about the US
when it comes to politics?

I'll answer that: The CIA, etc.


Secret service surveilling voters: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1493426&mesg_id=1493426



Former CIA Station Chief John Stockwell writes that one of the favorite tactics of the CIA during the Reagan-Bush administration in the 1980s was to control countries by manipulating the election process. “CIA apologists leap up and say, ‘Well, most of these things are not so bloody.’ And that’s true. You’re giving politicians some money so he’ll throw his party in this direction or that one, or make false speeches on your behalf, or something like that. It may be non-violent, but it’s still illegal intervention in other country’s affairs, raising the question of whether or not we’re going to have a world in which laws, rules of behavior are respected,” Stockwell wrote. Documents illustrate that the Reagan and Bush administration supported computer manipulation in both Noriega’s rise to power in Panama and in Marcos’ attempt to retain power in the Philippines. Many of the Reagan administration’s staunchest supporters were members of the Council on National Policy. <snip>

Dr. Bob Fitrakis is Senior Editor of The Free Press (<http://freepress.org> ), a political science professor, and author of numerous articles and books.

<http://www.mediareform.net> /
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:37 PM
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3. Do it here. Kerry won the vote. WE have to win the count, the real one!
Hey, all you people whining that Kerry gave up and will be enjoying his tax cuts: WAKE UP! Jeeze, the Ukrainians are out in the streets and they have a longer history of living with media lies than we do!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:04 PM
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5. Sounds like they love freedom
more than we do. I hope they have better luck saving theirs than we've had with ours.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:16 PM
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6. err, they weren't using Diebold "voting machines" were they?
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 03:56 PM
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7. (Update) 50,000 rally in Ukraine, claiming votes rigged
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 03:58 PM by icymist
50,000 rally in Ukraine, claiming votes rigged
Sunday, November 07, 2004
Agence France-Presse
Kiev, Ukraine- More than 50,000 supporters of Ukraine's opposition presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko rallied in Kiev Saturday to protest what they claimed was vote-rigging in the first round a week ago.

Demonstrators from all over the former Soviet constituent republic ignored an official ban on the demonstration by city authorities and gathered in a main square to hear Yushchenko charge: "The central electoral commission manipulated the results of the vote of Oct. 31."

Ukraine is heading for a runoff on Nov. 21 after the first round ended with the main candidates - pro-Russian prime minister Viktor Yanukovich and Western-leaning opposition leader Yushchenko - evenly splitting the vote.

The poll came under criticism from various quarters in the west including the European Union, which said it had failed to meet international standards.

The United States said it was a step backward and called for a second round without irregularities.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/ba...

~~~The vote was rigged in the former USSR and the US is going to get involved to help clean it up?! HELLO!

Also check out this discussion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x967668
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