American Marines attack Fallujah

American troops have begun attacking the Iraqi city of Fallujah, the operation which required the Black Watch to be redeployed.

On Thursday, just days after the regiment moved from its base in Basra, three soldiers were killed in a suicide bombing. The operation came on the day Prince Charles visited troops' families in Wiltshire.

During the night American Marines, backed up by troops of the Iraqi Army, began their operation.

The city of Fallujah is said to be the home of the insurgents behind the recent wave of kidnappings, beheadings and suicide bombings.

Colonel Gary Brandl of the United States Marine Corps commented:
"The enemy has a face. It is Satan's. He is in Fallujah, and we are going to destroy him."

**SNIP**

God in heaven - Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset = translation: "Kill them all. God will know his own."

Dante Zappala, a soldier's brother, said: "Violence breeds more violence, like the Black Watch saw this week. This will result in more tragic deaths."

Mahmood Al-Sabbagh, an Iraqi Refugee commented: "Fallujah will be like Glasgow if there were invaders here, as if Hitler had come here in World War II. It is exactly the same."

More: http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/content/default.asp?page=s1_1_1&newsid=5674

What the hell is our military teaching our leaders? This IS a freaking Holy War. OMG.

... as God's children because Satan "loved only God". For this, Satan was banished from God's sight, thus denied God's presence: That which Satan "loved only" - and that's called "Hell": deprived of the only object of one's love.

Sometimes myth carries lessons that we can see have not been learned - truths denied by the Lord of Lies, Deceiver, Beelzebub.

Some would describe the "Anti-Christ" as one recapitulating the myth of Satan ... one who'd wipe out humanity (God's children) in retaliation for Satan's banishment, deludedly believing that they would not then "compete" for Satan's love of God.

It is only these who could possibly believe in War as a Worship Service ... and battle as a Sacrament.

Perverts.

human sacrifice. Fallujah chosen to satisfy demand.'

That's the true headline for these unholy moral mavens on the racist right.

Colonel Gary Brandl of the United States Marine Corps commented:
"The enemy has a face. It is Satan's. He is in Fallujah, and we are going to destroy him."

:scared:

A complete psycho...

to kill him?

Actually, who , if anyone, is waiting in Fallujha to fight back against our massed, heavily armed troops? A few hundred ragtag,
resistance fighters who are getting ready to be slaughtered. Why?
Because in their minds, they are doing the same thing George Washington's troops were doing, fighting for their right to have a country.

I'm afraid America has truly become a Country that is dominated by
sadistic and greedy morons.

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US suffered at least 26 casualties in wounded, and it has not even really started yet...

place?

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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. There might be thousands of them hiding in Falluja. But if they are, they will all be killed or captured. I certainly don't want any of our people to be injured or killed. That's why I want them to come home and leave the Iraqis alone. If we announced that we are pulling out militarily and left the Iraqis to their own devices, they would still have problems but would work out something better than what is happening now. The big question, of course, is who is going to be in charge of the oil. Its so valuable that we are afraid to let go of it. And if we did, who would we turn it over to? You will recall that it was the American gvt. that put Saddam in power to help us keep control of the oil. It's a complicated situation, made worse by Bush's blundering.

Every road is going to be mined to all hell. Entire buildings will be rigged for spontaneous demolitions. This is not going to be a picnic basket operation.

you want to see 10k US troops get killed?

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you hope 10000 american troops die?

only that we know the incompetence rush to take Oil Ministry seize all data. those tons of explosives were taken.

Beause they weren't being allowed to leave. The flyers instructed women and children to flee. The men are to be slaughtered as only America can slaughter, with extreme efficiency.

To be an American in good conscience is to be filled with self-loathing. We are so fucked.

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troops or others die? But even the mere suggestion that you think our troops (10,000 in fact) die is sick and frankly in my opinion earns you the FastTrack to permanent removal off the DU...

:grr:

who got run down by one of our tanks. He's the old man who didn't dodge an rpg fast enough. He's the just-married young girl who will be ripped to pieces on the streets with our gunships. He's the pregnant woman who was blown to bits with a cluster bomb. He's the baby that was crushed by falling debris. THIS is who fucking 'Satan' is.

He is supposed to look kind of like a goat, I hear.

Or so I`ve heard. Makes sense. If I am to judge by the "miserable failure`s" actions. He kills children for WMDs that we were promised we could go right to them. And a year and a half later. Still no WMDs. Bill Clinton was impeached for a hell of a lot less than that. GOPukes must not use their brains.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

In the White House, Satan comes as an angel of light. That what the Bible says. :think:

hands of all who support him.


They are reaping what they've sown

It is on all of our hands.

Unfortunately, we are all just as guilty as our fuhrer-in-chief.

I know; a lot of people here feel they have "done all they could do", and have washed their hands of it.

I however think that part of being a liberal and social-progressive means caring about those who cannot defend themselves.

If everyone just gives up and says "Well it's not my problem...", then I tell you what, you explain that to that nice news-crew 30 years from now. Tell them how Bush had this "strange charisma" and how you "were just swept up in the tide" and "felt helpless" because "their was nothing you could do to stop it".

Fuck that! I don't accept that crap from old Germans and noone will accept it from us!

want more war, more death, more debt, more poor.

We dont.

I couldn't tell from your post if you were on the "it's not my problem" side of the field. That's why I tried to keep it impersonal and generalized.

Sorry for the confusion. :hi:

Bush is a righteous man, thats what the evangelicals Nazi's say.

nothing like speading around furious george's freedom.

"the face of Satan", "our God is better than theirs" ???--I don't think you have to be Nostradamus to predict where this is going.

Century IX, Quatrain 76

With the repacious and bloody king,

sprung from the pallet of the inhuman Nero.

Between two rivers, the military on the left,

he will be murdered by a bald young man

... when openly crusading, supposedly religious, "god is on our side" types lead us into a bloody battle in an Islamic country claiming that they're fighting "satan" himself?

You're right, it doesn't take Nostradamus to figure this out. If we can't take Fallujah, we will simply accelerate the killing machine at full bore. How very Christian. Fighting holy wars and crusades.

The officer needs to find his Commander In Chief and let him know that he is the very devil.

What an idiot to tell anothr country that they are Satan!!!!!

I would pray for those people in Falluja.

Man, they don't have a chance against those odds. More military might and more religious conviction, combined with an absolute disregard for human life. And 59 million Americans don't care.

Pardon me while I go throw up. It makes me sick to think of the number of people that are going to die this way over the next 4 years.

Colonel Gary Brandl should look in the mirror.

removed from command.

Lots of simple, rustic, ignorant, young men and women from Jesusland




Are about to become Shredded Hash for the Halliburton Criminals.

As they march off to the sounds of braying crowds and beating drums to "KILL the Muslim
Rag-Heads". With this tune ringing in their ears.

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Refrain

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.

At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

Refrain

Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

Refrain

all other Gods must die like the cheap imitations they are!

THIS GUY??

I got this from a REALLY RW NEOCONSERVATIVE BLOG

dont'cha think?

let them exit to other parts of Iraq, and then do it all over again in about 6 months. They gotta keep this sh*t going.

How many goddamned Col. Rippers do we have in the fucking military?

Oh, and how about when the police start stomping us? Are we going to be devil-worshippers then?

PB

How Medieval of us. /sarcasm

Where does an inquisition occur in the timeline?


:evilfrown:

current one will be shorter lived.

The "Inquisition" has been moved.

It is now located in Downtown Guantanamo Bay.

That is all.

instead of gold. See the difference.

Wow, that is too funny in an amazingly painful way.

The coWards hide behind the unspeakability of their plans.

It is the sheer unspeakability of Fascism in Amerika that offers them concealment.
It is the sheer unbelievability of a global Reich that provides cover for their unspeakable greed and lust for power.

Several Islamic and religious freedom groups and foreign officials criticized Army Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin last week when reports surfaced of his comments during several speeches at evangelical Christian churches. Boykin said the enemy in the war on terrorism was Satan, that God had put President George W. Bush in the White House and called one Muslim Somali warlord an idol-worshipper

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/19/terror/main637063.shtml





Army Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin has made several speeches - some in uniform - at churches in which he said the U.S. was fighting a war with Satan. (Photo: CBS)

You couldn't make this shit up. These people are NUTS!!!!!!!!!

Osama? Is he saying they all look the same? What a stupid remark. He's not the first. The General in charge of Special Ops has said something similar, but I can't remember his name. He was in command in Somalia. No surprise this remark was made after the election and it became clear who the supporters are.

Insanity is defined by repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome.... Therefore, insanity must be defined by not recognizing your own mistakes......like the "AWOL monkey-boy" admits to....and that shows how insane this country's leadership will be until we are punished by the rest of the world for crazy aggressive actions reminiscent of NAZI GERMANY.....And as Osama bin Laden said in his video before this election ......"All aggressive actions toward innocent Muslims WILL BE PUNISHED".... If Condsleeza Rice could get her head out of her ass for a minute maybe she could hear that warning....It was said in loud plain language just like it was before 9/11- "Bin laden to stage a direct attack on US"......These Keystone cops are too busy enjoying killing people and stealing everything from every body.....When they run out of Muslim's to KILL...WE WILL BE NEXT.....and Fallujah will be BUSH'S WATERLOO.........

What does that say about us as a nation?

:puke:

:cry:

If a US victory means more dead innocents, I would rather see them fail. I guess I'm not a patriot, huh? Maybe I should be arrested. Maybe I will be.

I understand where you are coming from, but our troops dying is just as bad as the civilians dying.

Even worse, I worry about these poor soldiers coming home and going crazy. Driven mad by the horror of the things they were ordered to do.

The civilians are innocents in their own land.

They believe their commanders.

That is what they are supposed to do.

If their commander tells them that a town is full of evil-doers who are planning to bomb their hometown, how do they know any better? It's not like they can just hop onto DU and go "Oh! d00d this is fuxxored man!!11".

The soldiers are, to a certain degree, just as much victims. They are going to have to live the rest of their days with the memory of these atrocities. It will haunt them every day of their life and most likely every day of their next 5 lifetimes.

I imagine that being in the military (with its automatic risk to your own life) was the best option most of them had. Promises of seeing the world, money for education, retirement pay if you make it a career.

They did not make the decision to kill, so let's not blame the troops or call them evil.

Would we be huddled in our bomb shelters saying, "oh, well. They're young and ignorant. They can't help killing us. They're not to blame."

Somehow I doubt it.

What I am saying is that we at DU should not blame the enlisted men and women of the US military. Only the Fascist Bush administration and decision-makers in the military and Pentagon are to blame for US military actions.

Again, if we were under invasion, would we be huddled in our bomb shelters saying, "it's fine that the citizens of this invading country continue to support their troops. We won't count that attitude as aggression against us. Those people haven't wronged us a bit when they choose to stand by their soldiers, who are, of course, killing more of us even as we speak."


And again, I really, really doubt it.


I greatly fear that there's a lot of amoral tribalism mixed into this unconditional "support the troops" mindset.

but to support the troops individually, as human beings who are caught in a terrible situation. What choices do the low-ranking troops have in this war? Can they realistically refuse to comply with orders - yes, if they want to be court-martialled or worse.

There are two issues: What is a reasonable response to our aggression if you are an Iraqi? What should our attitudes as US citizens be toward the Iraqi resistance?

Ya dig?

We would kill them to a man if they invaded us the way we invaded them, and no one here can doubt that in the least. We would have no respect for the fact that they were operating under orders.

That's not good enough.

~A!

Over 100,000 Iraqi civilians already killed, another 40,000-50,000 trapped in Falluja waiting to be put down. This is NOT the work of innocent and ignorant children. The U.S. Marines are a very professional, well trained military force. They are not a mob. They know exactly what they are doing, and they're doing it anyway. I call that cold blooded murder.

"They did not make the decision to kill...."

Are you suggesting that they are being driven to kill civilians against their will? Against their better judgement? Against their wishes? I don't believe that for a moment. Not any longer.

That same weak argument could have been used to exonerate all but the leadership of the Nazi military. As was proven after WWII, 'just following orders' doesn't cut it as an excuse...

To suggest that US troops are just as much victims as the Iraqi CIVILIANS they're slaughtering is ridiculous. Here's a big whopping clue that they're not just as much victims - US troops are COMBATANTS and therefore legitimate targets for resistance. Iraqi civilians are NON-COMBATANTS and are supposed to be protected under the Geneva Conventions. Why do you even think that US troops are just as much victims? Because they're US citizens? Why should anyone, let alone those of us who aren't Americans, give a shit about that?

Sorry, but I don't support US troops in Iraq, and my time is much better spent feeling for the Iraqi people, some of who thanks to the US military's habit of bombing civilians, won't ever live to have anything haunt them...

Violet...

Unfortunate, but true. Our troops are merely pawns on a chessboard.

Please don't blame the troops. Please.

the Vietnam dilema again.

General, you're murdering the citizens of the town you supposedly invaded to protect.

Oh, and it won't pacify the other towns. But you're prepared to level them all, ain'tcha? Burn the body to save the soul?

now they can kill with fury and might and not have
to worry about re-elections.

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Colonel Gary Brandl of the United States Marine Corps commented:
"The enemy has a face. It is Satan's. He is in Fallujah, and we are going to destroy him."
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The military is fully backing this genocidal action in Iraq. We have morphed into Hitler's Germany.

But I won't feel sad if they do.

what a Crazy Fucking Individual.

Unless you're not Christian.

n/t

killing, ravaging and subjegating people. Who is the Satan here? Those that refuse to face the truth about the evil Satan sitting in the WH and pseudo Christians who applaud killing their religious adversaries? Caesar lives. Some things never change.

...they don't have to think of them as HUMAN BEINGS.

This is the end..Beautiful friend...
This is the end... My only friend..The End

Of our elaborate plans.. The End..

Of everything that stands....The End...

No Safety or surprise... The End...

I'll never look into your eyes....again...

Can you you picture what will be?
So limitless and free
Desperately in need of some stranger's hand
in a desperate land.

Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain,
and all the children are insane.
All the children are insane
waiting for the summer rain.

The West is the best
The West is the best
The West is the best

Get here... and we'll do the rest.


The blue bus is calling us...
Driver where you taking us?

The killer awoke before dawn.
He put his boots on.
He took a face from the ancient gallery,
and he walked on down the hall!

Didn't they use this in the movie Apocalypse Now?

Professor 2

Professor 2

"The enemy has a face. It is Satan's. He is in Fallujah, and we are going to destroy him."

Please God, this can't be happening.

on edit: Who are these sick people? I know them not.

We voted with the majority in 2000.
We spoke out against Bush's war in Iraq.
We voted for Kerry in 2004.

Now they must live the consequences of ignoring what we said. Let them do it, we can't stop them, but at least we tried. The blood is not our hands, it is on the hands of the loony neo-cons and the fundies.

either supported the Iraq War, or at least saw a sound geopolitical strategy to justify it (democracy in the Middle East, a country not at war with Israel). We may think that Bush completely fucked up almost every single aspect of it, but millions of us supported the idea, at least if it could have been done more competently.

That is the literal truth, and I'm not going to soft-peddle it. Competent aggression is no more excusable than incompetent aggression.

The fact that someone else bungled your despicable war does not excuse you from blame in the least.

Did I say that I LIKED war? I wish we hadn't gone there under those circumstances, just like John Kerry and MILLIONS of other Democrats, but that doesn't make us any less Democrat. I am merely pointing out that millions of Democrats, including John Kerry, sopported the Iraq War, at least in some fashion.

Let me ask you this. Did you feel the same way about our invasion of Afghanistan?

... that the invasion of Afghanistan did less harm than good.

I think that we got off on the wrong foot from the first. In my judgement, both of these wars have primarily fulfilled America's own psychological needs. I seriously doubt that the first one made us safer, and I'm certain that the second one did not.

And I didn't say that supporting aggression against Iraq made you less of a Democrat. I said that it made you blameworthy. And so it does.


(edit: fixed typo)

But seriously, whether you supported the Iraq War or not, it's hard for me to understand anyone who didn't support the Afghanistan War. I have rarely seen a better reason to remove a foreign government than giving aid and comfort to an organization that killed thousands of our men, women and children, and then JOKED about it. And that doesn't even count their treatment of women. But that's just me I guess.

Anyway, I hope you know that I do respect your position, OK?

We got Osama bin Laden and we didn't blow up a single Red Cross station, or wedding, or baby.

I consider myself morally compromised for supporting Kerry, despite knowing that he'd voted to give chimpy free rein in Iraq. For a while, I wasn't sure whether I could vote for him. One DUer persuaded me, though, that as the quagmire deepened, Kerry would be more likely to put together a plausible pretext for getting out, whereas Bush would be more likely to order saturation bombing of the cities -- so I went ahead and gave Kerry my vote.

There's always plenty of shame to go around.

Most of the individuals associated with the 9-11 attacks escaped, all but a very few of the people killed had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with terrorism-- they were either noncombatants or civilians fighting yet another foreign invader that they had done nothing to deserve, the country was shattered, the Northern Alliance-- the folks we armed al-Qeada to fight during the 80's-- carved Afghanistan into fiefdoms dominated by feudal warlords, and we installed a puppet president who continues to breathe only as long as we protect him and he stays inside the gates of Kabul.

Okay, it wasn't all bad news-- we got to try out some spiffy new weapons on warm, splattery people, the opium business is booming, and Amerikans got a collective revenge rush, inconveniently directed mostly at innocents, but who's counting at this point?

hahaha yea make sure we get democracies in the countries where the governments love us and the people hate us. Oh yea and poor poor Israel... lmao.

is not the same as saying that I agree with it. Nuance...

And yes, there was a strategy behind it, even if the American people were lied to about the reasons. There was a clear desire by Bush to introduce democracy into the Middle East. I don't see how that can be denied.

As far as that strategy being successful, I am probably as skeptical as you are about it.

I wasn't trying to start a fight, just offer a different way of looking at it, and a lot of Democrats, including John Kerry, agree.

So many that even in the Israeli/Palestine forum the history can't even be discussed? hmm. I wonder why. Maybe the history makes Israel look bad. Censorship on a progressive board... very sad...

democracy anywhere in the world. All that Motherf*cker wanted was the oil, end of discussion. And as far as the Afghan invasion, if they really went in there to get OBL, then why were they trheatening the Taliban 6 months earlier to accept their capret of gold, or get buried under a carpet of bombs. Both of these 'wars' are immoral and shamefully deceitful. I don't support either one.

...but many of us are NOT impressed by his stance regarding the invasion and occupation of Iraq. I certainly don't find his stance any reason to support the murder of over 100,000 Iraqi civilians.

We have become just like them, even to the extent of creating our own personal Palestine.

US Israeli collusion in practicing Apartheid is the true cause of mainstreamed Islamic terror.

That and, ironically, our love or corporations (namely oil ones in this case) trumping our love of exporting real progressive ideas. Instead our petrodollars go to madrasas.

I am going veggie oil. Already sold my car and shopping diesel.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html

Screw Paying for Terror training every time the ignition fires.

Bush is on the record as adoring and being quite jealous of Sharon. Seeing how he was able to use so much force and get political support for it.

Bush wanted his own Palestine to occupy and destroy. Problem is U.S. is funding Israel in their occupation, who is going to fund us? Hmmm maybe they thought Iraqi oil would be the funding... (nice try).

Such nonsense I really can't even stomach talking about it anymore.

See my sig....

on edit: sigs are off-- U.S. war criminals out of Iraq!

...By a man that was there during the 1st seige in April.

http://www.counterpunch.org/mahajan11062004.html

Fallujah and the Reality of War
By RAHUL MAHAJAN


I thought this quote was worth noting...

"...if you assume that every military age male is an enemy, there can be no better sign that you are in the wrong country, and that, in fact, your war is on the people, not on their oppressors,, not a war of liberation."

The chimp choose to have this war. The chimp chooses to continue this war. The marines are chimp's little biped servants.

But I think it should be understood that any users here who are US citizens advocating the failure of US military forces and/or the success of their enemies are technically commiting a treasonous act.

Maybe some of you know that, but I just thought it would be best to issue a reminder, if only to let people know that this may be something they want to be careful about doing in a public forum.

I don't like this war one bit. But I'm a moderate, and I think some here are getting rather carried away.

this situation is an act of treason.

No one here is committing anything, but making fun of the chimp and the fools who follow him. Go tell it to rimjob

"You will determine whether rage or reason guide the United States in the struggle to come. You will choose whether we are known for revenge or compassion. You will choose whether we will kill in the name of God, or whether in His name, we can find a higher civilization and a better means of settling our differences."

-Wesley Clark

FALLUJAH, Iraq - This rebel city's broad boulevards are empty now, the mosques thinly attended even for prayers. Save for those too poor, too old or too sick to leave, Fallujah has been left to the insurgents and the Marines who vow to crush them.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/10121811.htm?1c


A hospital has been razed to the ground in one of the heaviest US air raids in the Iraqi city of Falluja.

Witnesses said only the facade remained of the small Nazzal Emergency Hospital in the centre of the city. There are no reports on casualties.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3988433.stm