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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:00 PM
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A thousand Fallujahs
Seems like news to me ...

Once again the US has been caught in a giant spider's web. Fallujah now is a network: it's Baghdad, Ramadi, Samarra, Latifiyah, Kirkuk, Mosul. Streets on fire, everywhere: Hundreds, thousands of Fallujahs - the Mesopotamian echo of a thousand Vietnams. The Iraqi resistance has even regained control of a few Baghdad neighborhoods.

Baghdad residents say there are practically no US troops around, even as regular explosions can be heard all over the city. Baghdad sources confirm to Asia Times Online that the mujahideen now control parts of the southern suburb of ad-Durha, as well as Hur Rajab, Abu Ghraib, al-Abidi, as-Suwayrah, Salman Bak, Latifiyah and Yusufiyah - all in the Greater Baghdad area. This would be the first time since the fall of Baghdad on April 9, 2003, that the resistance has been able to control these neighborhoods.

Massive US military might is useless against a mosque network in full gear. In a major development not reported by US corporate media, for the first time different factions of the resistance have released a joint statement, signed among others by Ansar as-Sunnah, al-Jaysh al-Islami, al-Jaysh as-Siri (known as the Secret Army), ar-Rayat as-Sawda (known as the Black Banners), the Lions of the Two Rivers, the Abu Baqr as-Siddiq Brigades, and crucially al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (Unity and Holy War) - the movement allegedly controlled by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The statement is being relayed all over the Sunni triangle through a network of mosques. The message is clear: the resistance is united.

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The Pentagon is pulling out all stops to "liberate" the people of Fallujah. According to residents, the city is now littered with thousands of cluster bombs. In an explosive accusation - and not substantiated - an Iraqi doctor who requested anonymity has told al-Quds Press that "the US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons". The Washington Post has confirmed that US troops are firing white-phosphorus rounds that create a screen of fire impervious to water.

Asia Times
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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:01 PM
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1. Liberate, as in decimate the population.
What a way to frame a word, eh?
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:13 PM
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17. I suppose death can be very liberating
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:04 PM
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2. Everybody has lost this war, especially the USA
It just makes me heartsick
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:05 PM
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3. They are clensing the city so it can be "Born Again"
Fallujah must die so it can live.
Cast out the demons.
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Pig_Latin_Lover Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:05 PM
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4. "He gassed his own people!"
This can't be real, can it?
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:06 PM
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5. This is an excellent source for seeing what the rest of the world sees
from the link above:

In 1999, the Russians bombed and destroyed Grozny, the Chechen capital, a city of originally 400,000 people. Five years later, Chechen guerrillas are still trapping Russian troops in a living hell there. The same scenario will be replayed in Fallujah - a city of originally 300,000 people. All this destruction - which any self-respecting international lawyer can argue is a war crime - for the Bush administration to send a brutal message: either you're with us or we'll smash you to pieces.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:38 PM
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14. Super powers are so stoooopid.
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livinbella Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:10 PM
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6. Are we gassing these people?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:15 PM
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7. democracy imposed at the drop of a bomb and end of a gun


"They never saw what napalm does to a little girl's skin. They never saw a 19-year-old from Iowa screaming and writhing on the ground because a mine blew his legs off. They never saw a man take a bullet through the brain, then watch his body flop around on the ground for a minute or so because it doesn't realize he's dead. They never put pieces of someone into a bag, not knowing who it was until you read the tags, because there wasn't any face left to go along with the other parts. They haven't seen the shit I've seen, and they want to do it all over again." - anonymous man at the Vietnam Memorial Wall quoted by Alfred A. Hambidge, Jr.

http://www.americaheldhostile.com/ed031303.shtml

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:17 PM
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8. WTF...?... "firing white-phosphorus rounds that create a screen of fire"
Ok, where is more info available on these new weapons..?

    The Washington Post has confirmed that US troops are firing white-phosphorus rounds that create a screen of fire impervious to water.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:19 PM
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9. Willie Peter is as old as the hills. n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:19 PM
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10. this is the only place I've seen it: Link
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:35 PM
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13. i believe its a war crime to use white-phosphorous
n/t
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:20 PM
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18. I don't think it is.
They used it back in WWII back when the US still respected the Geneva Conventions. Horrible shit nevertheless.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:27 PM
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19. i think they added it after ww2
i remember hearing about the vietnameese useing it and it being a war crime
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:20 AM
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25. Phosphorous reacts with water
So, it just keeps burning flesh (cells are mostly water), right down to the bone. That's what I have read, anyway. On the scale of horrific weapons, it is right up there.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:22 PM
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11. Fighting in Falluja rages amid confusion
Thursday 11 November 2004, 15:27 Makka Time, 12:27 GMT

Conflicting reports are coming from besieged Falluja, with
US-led forces saying they have tightened their grip on most
of the city and fighters saying they are still in control.

....
But Abu Shams al-Fallujy, a member of the National Islamic
Resistance in Falluja, told Aljazeera that US forces had
entered the city's centre rapidly because they were surrounded
in the Julan neighbourhood and were being targeted by snipers.
....
"The US troops say they have controlled the town. In fact, they
are only in control of the town centre where there are no resistance
fighters. The town's centre is resided by the civilian population
who had escaped the outskirts of the town to avoid a crossfire as
a result of the intense US bombing and resistance.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/BDA88E14-AA23-45FA-BE96-51730F9CA0B4.htm
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:29 PM
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12. Rebels fight for life in Fallujah; car bomb rips through Bagdhad
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?ID=33431

excerpt:

He said the military was on course to retake the city by Saturday morning.

Hopelessly outnumbered, and with their leaders apparently gone, rebels who spoke to an AFP reporter said they would fight to the end for Fallujah, which became a no-go area for US forces after a battle in April ended in stalemate.

With the city almost on its knees, there was no let-up in the bombings and kidnappings elsewhere that forced Allawi to declare a state of emergency across most of Iraq and slap curfews on five cities, including Baghdad and Mosul.

...more at link...
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:38 PM
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15. I seriously doubt we are using banned chemicals to gas anyone
I'm sure that with all of our technology we can come up wit some variation of banned chemical weapons that would have the same effect but be technically not illegal. Give Bush some credit. I mean, this is the administration who found a way around the Geneva convention by realizing the soldiers we were capturing in the war we claim is going on but won't declare were not soldiers, but unlawful combatants.

Bush loves the law, probably as much as he loves his own daughters.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:07 AM
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22. Probably experimental
such as the use of the new hyperbaric bombs and emf bombs during the initial invasion, and the MOAB in Afghanistan. Not in themselves primary weapons, but in war one has the opportunity to test and developing such things on human targets. They may have used an aerosol like the Russians did in the theatre hostage debacle.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:44 PM
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16. Bring the troops home and round up all the fucking Generals including
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 12:45 PM by 0007
the Commander in Chief and frog march em to the Hague. This is out of control, war crimes are being committed. This is beyond belief!!
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:04 PM
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20. Great article
maybe they are using methylene chloride like they did at Waco.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:02 PM
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21. kick
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:10 AM
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23. Heard on DemocracyNOW! that the US was using phosphorous
This supposedly burns..? I've no clue, but thought I would relay what Amy Goodman reported.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:25 AM
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26. Oh yes, it burns. Sticks to skin and can't wash off. n/t
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:27 AM
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27. Is it the same as napalm?
:cry: Why one earth would the US military resort to this?
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:36 AM
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28. Perhaps some reporter could ask Rumsfeld at the daily meetings?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:14 AM
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24. Damn! Bush IS a uniter after all!
He united all the different Muslim factions against the US and he united the Democratics against him as well as uniting the Republicans to support him. Damn. He's better than I thought at that.

Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial.

The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.

- Louis D. Brandeis
(U.S. Founding Father)

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