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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:18 PM
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Satan hides in a hospital (US war crimes; cluster bombs in the streets)
Satan hides in a hospital
By Pepe Escobar

Everything one needed to know about the true, unspinnable foreign policy of the second George W Bush administration is represented by the "capture" of the first strategic target in the assault on Fallujah: the general hospital, on the left bank of the Euphrates, now totally cut off from the city. According to the Bush administration world view, this is the house where Satan lives.

Bush-installed interim Iraqi Prime Minster Iyad Allawi announced with a smile of victory that he personally ordered the capture of the hospital. So maybe it was not the Pentagon: it was an unelected politician asking a foreign occupation army to attack a hospital in his own country and preventing doctors and ambulances from entering a city under siege.

The assault, dubbed Operation Phantom Fury, perversely started on Laylat e-Qadr, the most important and holy night of the year for the Islamic world.

In terms of the information war, the hospital was indeed the most strategic of targets. During the first siege of Fallujah in April, doctors told independent media the real story about the suffering of civilian victims. So this time the Pentagon took no chances: no gory, disturbing photos of the elderly, women and children - the thousands unable to leave Fallujah in advance of this week's offensive, the civilian victims of the relentless bombing.

But this did not prevent the world from seeing doctors and patients at the hospital handcuffed to the floor - as if they were terrorists. Hospital director Dr Salih al-Issawi told Agence France-Presse that the Americans blocked him and other doctors from going to the center of Fallujah to help another clinic in distress; he also said an ambulance that tried to leave the hospital was shot at by the Americans - just like in April, when all ambulances were targeted. The Geneva Convention is explicit: in a war situation, hospitals and ambulances are neutral.

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http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FK11Ak03.html
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:21 PM
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1. Operation Phantom Fury MY ASS!
More like Operation Phantom Menace.
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jjanpundt Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:23 PM
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2. War crimes, but no one will be charged or
held responsible. Pure madness.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:27 PM
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3. The Geneva Convention is explicit:
in a war situation, hospitals and ambulances are neutral.

War criminals. Nothing less.

I feel nothing but shame for my country.
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bluesoccermom Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:31 PM
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5. cluster bombs
Can someone tell me about the use of clusterbombs? Are they allowed or not, I`ve heard conflicting views.

thanks
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:56 PM
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8. My understanding is that cluster bombs are not allowed in urban areas
I've heard it's a war crime, but I'm not certain.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:47 PM
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16. if a war crime falls in a forest...?
Under Article 85 of the Geneva Conventions, it is a war crime to launch "an indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population in the knowledge that such an attack will cause an excessive loss of life or injury to civilians." Under the Hague Conventions, Article 22 and 23, "The right of belligerents to adopt means of injuring the enemy is not unlimited," and "It is especially forbidden to kill treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army."
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0126-04.htm

The Red Cross is urging governments to suspend the use of cluster bombs – like those NATO dropped on Kosovo last year – because they can kill and maim long after a war ends, an official said Tuesday.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/090500-02.htm

Sayyid Ahmad Sanef believed the bright yellow object lying on the ground near his home was one of the 37,000 plastic humanitarian aid packages of the same colour dropped on Afghanistan by US military aircraft - but it had come from a cluster bomb.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2912617.stm

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:53 PM
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:28 AM
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18. "Who's that trip-trapping over my bridge?"
"vermin"?
"put no barbaric act above them"?
"cheating trash"?

Ye gods ... and this from a person who accuses me of being un-progressive?
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:29 PM
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4. in a 1000 years we'll all look back on this & laugh
remember when we thought islam, judaism & christianity were different religions? hoo-boy, those were some good times...
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:51 PM
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6. The global community will not tolerate this,
especially in light of *'s so-called "re-election."

The Arabic community will be meeting shortly in Cairo for Arafat's funeral. They will be emboldened and there will be repercussions for *'s war crimes. They just probably won't come domestically.

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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:52 PM
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7. I am so ashamed of my country.
This is what nearly half of this country voted for more of. They put their stamp of approval on this. Unbelievable.

Illegal invasion of a sovereign nation that had not attacked us and was, essentially, unarmed.

Aggressive war.

Torture and murder at Abu Ghraib.

Now a military takeover of a hospital, muzzling doctors so the truth about civilian casualties will never be known. A little boy dying because his father can't take him there. It pales in comparison to the other, more grievous war crimes already committed by the * admin, but not to that poor boy's father. God, I'm so furious. Please tell me B*shco will pay someday.

:cry:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:07 PM
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9. No, he'll never be made to pay.
That's not how it works in this country. The next President (whoever it is Repub or Dem) will pardon him. He never travels outside the country anyway and no foreign government would take the risk of arresting even if he did. No, Caligula will continue to live on the public payroll for the rest of his worthless life, basking in the praise of his demented followers. The murders that he has committed will go unpunished, except by the terrorist attacks on this nation that we will experience for the next hundred years.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:26 PM
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11. "the objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror h


"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/11/opinion/11dowd.html?oref=login"

A Moveable Feast of Terrorism
By MAUREEN DOWD

Published: November 11, 2004


WASHINGTON

During the campaign, President Bush and Dick Cheney gave the ominous impression that there was a dire threat that terrorists could incinerate Americans at any time if that powder puff John Kerry got anywhere near the Oval Office.

We felt the hot breath of the wolf pack bearing down on us. But only a week later, the alarums have dimmed.

The administration lowered the terror threat in New York and Washington yesterday, and the Capitol Hill police were dismantling the elaborate security checkpoints they had put on streets around the Capitol to thwart would-be bombers.

In his handwritten resignation letter, John Ashcroft reassured Mr. Bush that "the objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved.''......

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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:14 PM
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12. You're right.
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 04:17 PM by Sophree
And that is so depressing.

People have called Poppy B*sh Caligula before, but B*sh2 really does fit the bill better.

And his followers really are demented. I volunteered with MoveOn's Leave No Voter Behind this fall and while I was encouraged by the many, many people who shared my feelings about *, and as positive and upbeat as I tried to stay, I was equally discouraged by the number of people I talked to who worship him. I had kind of been preparing myself for him to "win" again. Reading stories like this one, however, lets the complete horrible-ness of it all to really sink in.

:-(
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:23 PM
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10. r has been achieved.''


"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/11/opinion/11dowd.html?oref=login"

A Moveable Feast of Terrorism
By MAUREEN DOWD

Published: November 11, 2004


WASHINGTON

During the campaign, President Bush and Dick Cheney gave the ominous impression that there was a dire threat that terrorists could incinerate Americans at any time if that powder puff John Kerry got anywhere near the Oval Office.

We felt the hot breath of the wolf pack bearing down on us. But only a week later, the alarums have dimmed.

The administration lowered the terror threat in New York and Washington yesterday, and the Capitol Hill police were dismantling the elaborate security checkpoints they had put on streets around the Capitol to thwart would-be bombers.

In his handwritten resignation letter, John Ashcroft reassured Mr. Bush that "the objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved.''......
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:31 PM
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14. i would bet bush's eyeballs that
less then 20 million americans legitimately voted for the punk.....compared to an actual 80 plus million for kerry. This is georgebushamerica, and truth is truth.....
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:30 PM
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13. Some of us, for sanity's sake
have to believe that B*shass the Badass is going to reap what he's sowing. He is evil incarnate.

Oh, I pray every day that the screams of his victims ring in his ears night and day.

God, if you're up there, could you please hurry up and smite these evil fascists? We've waitied too long, and our soldiers and the Iraqis are ready for the Prince of Peace, not the Messiah of Murderous Madness....Can ya hear me?
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:33 PM
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15. Heard using phosphorous on DemocracyNOW!
I'm not sure how this works, but it supposedly burns unbelieveabley. :shrug: Maybe someone here knows. But it was stated that the US military is using it.
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