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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:54 PM
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Rumsfeld Says Hundreds of Iraqi Insurgents Killed
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 06:59 PM by maddezmom
SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador (Reuters) - "Hundreds" of insurgents have been killed in Falluja as U.S. and Iraqi troops sweep through the besieged Iraq (news - web sites) city, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Thursday.



Rumsfeld, arriving in the capital of El Salvador (news - web sites) at the start of a weeklong visit to Latin America, told reporters some insurgents had probably escaped the attack started this week.


"I have no doubt but some people did leave before it started," he said.


~snip~

Asked how long the offensive might last, Rumsfeld said: "I don't ever predict how long things will take. They will take as long as they take ... and it will end successfully and it will no longer be a safe haven for terrorists and extremists."

more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=721&e=1&u=/nm/20041111/wl_nm/iraq_falluja_rumsfeld_dc

Rummy the Dummy: We don't do body counts...unless they make it look like we are winning the war. :puke:
Guess he missed this:

U.S. says Falluja battle won't break insurgency
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=619798&src=rss/uk/worldNews§ion=news
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:57 PM
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1. Congrats, Mental Boy!
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KingChicken Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:00 PM
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2. That's ok rummy, they've got plenty more cities now...
Looks like the freedom fighters are going to have to move into a different city, mabey Sammara, or Mosul, but i'm sure they will take back Fallujah in a couple of months.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:02 PM
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3. How the fuck would he know? He's seldom on the job
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:04 PM
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4. thought I would check the dictionary for exact meaning of 'insurgents", ..
in·sur·gent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-sûrjnt)
adj.
1. Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government.

2. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party.

Going by that second definition... how long before Democrats and other non-republicans are labeled as "insurgents".

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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:15 PM
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8. The new A.G. appointee is working on that right now
he can rewrite the international laws on Torture -- that guy can twist any law to mean anything!

Call out the tanks --

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:27 AM
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28. "send in the clowns"
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:36 PM
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17. I would add.... a person of nationalistic demeanor... willing to die
rather than live under the imperialistic economic policies thrust upon them by a rogue nation. IE a patriot. We had them... they lived in the 13 colonies.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:36 PM
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19. Who actually are the "insurgents?"
Aren't most of them now people like you ane me who have taken up arms against invaders. Just who are we killing?
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:45 PM
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20. I agree, they are like us if someone invaded our country. We would do what
we could to "discourage" them and get them out.

Instead of using the highly charged word "insurgent", they should be using, "local inhabitants". Yeah, fat chance of them using an expression like that!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:19 AM
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31. Insurgents Are Mostly Iraqis, US Military Says
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:04 PM
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5. SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador
Here we go again in Central America.
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religiousleft Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:09 PM
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6. Maybe thousands of non-insurgents
it's a crusade: Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:12 PM
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7. Are they counting all kills as "insurgents"?
Well I guess a baby could grown up to hate the invaders that killed his/her parents or relatives -- so the children could count as insurgent.

Oh hell -- any Iraqi is an insurgent -- there -- now adjust the numbers --

adjusting the numbers is what the Republicans/NeoCons are best at.

If the numbers don't match their world view -- what the hell -- just readjust the numbers. Who cares what we think -- or anyone thinks -- our view doesn't count.

How old is the world -- their numbers -- 6,000 years
How much did bushie win the election by -- 5 million -- their numbers
-- just shift Kerry's numbers to bush.
Bush 6 year T.A.N.G. (air national guard) tour --
Bush failed business ventures -- don't exist anymore --

The strange new world of GWB.

Hey bush -- leave me out of your world. I want to live in the real world with real science and real mathematics and statistics.


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cubsfan forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:50 PM
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11. Well said! n/t
Professor 2
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:52 PM
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12. " baby could grow up to hate the invaders "
Pre-emptive chimp-speak.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:28 PM
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16. What about the insurgents in-utero?? Surely they must be aborted!
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:43 AM
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24. Insurgent defined as "Dead Iraqi Native"
same method used as Vietnam. Probably the same result.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:17 PM
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34. All oops! are also insurgents by definition! n/t
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The Sheik Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:35 PM
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9. How exactly
does Rumsfeld know how many Insurgents he has killed? Does he just assume that everytime a person is killed they are automatically an insurgent.
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Carrion Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:58 PM
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13. 'Nam
Straight body count--to show we are "winning".........
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:36 PM
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10. "It's going to end successfully."
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 07:37 PM by teryang
No it won't. Notice the use of the indefinite antecedent suitable for maximum vagueness. Neither the local nor the national theater conflict will "end successfully." Killing a several hundred in a conflict for national independence is extremely unlikely to be decisive or politically successful.

While the slaughter was going on, the Sunni's dropped out of the so called "sovereign" government of Iraq. That is a strategic defeat.
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:04 PM
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14. hundreds of non allawi voters you mean.
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kostya Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:04 PM
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15. What's that, about 1% of the total, and how many more
insurgents is this bloodbath going to spawn? Violence begets violence. Shit, it's Vietnam all over again. :(
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:32 PM
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18. And how many of those are actually innocent people? n/t
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:56 PM
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21. But "We don't do body counts" so how does he know?
All of the Pentagon spokes people have emphasized over and over that they aren't doing body counts this time around. So how does he know? I guess we do body counts after all or maybe Rummy just made it up. I report - you decide.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 04:47 AM
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26. kick
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:29 AM
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29. but the Pentagon IS doing body counts
just recently--someone on this discussion forum posted an article saying that indeed the Pentagon is doing body counts. Sorry but can not find it.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:25 AM
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22. Rummy has provided the Islamic world their Alamo
I can hear the Muslim pilots shouting, as they slam their jet into Three Mile Island: Remember Fallujah!
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:19 PM
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35. Yes, I believe tha is exactly how they will see it. Neverending war. n/t
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:36 AM
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23. american/ fascist insurgents should be dying, not iraqis
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Zerex71 Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:55 AM
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25. What was it he said the other day?
The strikes won't kill many Iraqis?

Go to Hell, Rumsfeld.

Mike
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:22 AM
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27. What was he doing as he said this
I get the mental image of the man foaming at the mouth and furiously jacking off every time a few more "insurgents" are killed over there, screaming "FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!"
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:15 AM
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30. "NO LONGER be a SAFE HAVEN"??? There they go again, trying to tie
911 to Iraq.


Hey rumsfailed; there were NO TERRORISTS IN IRAQ UNTIL YOU ILLEGALLY IMMORALLY UNJUSTLY INVADED, you ASSHOLE.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:22 PM
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36. Actually, I think that there are 140,000 terrorists all wearing US
uniforms.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:07 PM
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32. Rummy the Dummy is a mass murderer!
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 08:10 PM by Tight_rope
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DubyaSux Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:16 PM
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33. How could they tell?
By the type of teddy bear they held in the 5 year old arm they had left? By the smarmy mid-eastern look? Because they are Iraqi?

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:41 PM
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37. 100's of US military personnel killed & wounded due to lack of equipment
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DeadManInc Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:48 PM
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38. Asscroft
How about the number of civilians casualties douche bag?
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