NBC: Internet theories on election abound Updated: 6:48 p.m. ET Nov. 11

(now that it's hitting the fan...here comes the spin!)

STORY:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6463505/

Internet theories on election abound

Even Democratic Party officials discount claims of unfair practices

By Chip Reid
Correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 6:48 p.m. ET Nov. 11, 2004

President Bush declared victory eight days ago, but in the parallel universe known as the Internet, the presidential campaign is still raging. Web sites hostile to the president claim massive vote fraud, that the election was stolen, that Sen. Kerry really won.

Presidential candidate Ralph Nader says Republican officials in Ohio skewed the election towards Bush.

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In the Florida panhandle, they ask, how could Bush have won so big when registered Democrats far outnumber Republicans? In Ohio they claim a computer glitch gave Bush 4,000 extra votes. In many states, they insist, some voters pushed "Kerry" on touch screen machines, but the check appeared next to "Bush." And what about those early exit polls giving Kerry the lead? They say that means the election was stolen.

Convinced? Well, even the Kerry team is not, declaring in a statement Thursday that while they want every vote counted, "the outcome of the election is not in doubt.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6463505/

They can't deny us, even if they discount us. They won't be able to discount us forever, I think.

to someone whose idea of "conspiracy" is to loose a zero from their yearly contract?

You are a smart ass.

What a condescending little article.

especially the part about, "Web sites hostile to the president still claim widespread vote fraud."

Reid can kiss my Democrat ass!

get its head out of its ass.

I'm too lazy to find it on their site, but I bet it's there.

That "reporter" needs to check his facts. Oh wait--that's not required anymore.

Some free press.

There's more factual information on FreepRepubic than there is on all of the TV "news" programs combined!

We know you know we know that, too, kool kids! As Hendrix once put it, "Comin to GITcha."

:evilgrin:
dbt

internet.

Didn't our history include newspapers dissing radio, then radio dissing television..........yep, that's where we are in the newsies food chain and evolution.

We must be doing something right, the internet IS the future:evilgrin:

So keep on keeping on everyone....ya'll saved my sanity, something no talking head could do (except for KeithO and JonS)

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/other_stories/multi-page/documents/04256171.asp

MANY OF THOSE who did get to the polls had to wait ages to get to a booth. There were reports of waiting times of two-and-a-half-hours in Cleveland, five in Columbus, and six in the college town of Gambier.

This was all officially blamed on extraordinarily high turnout, but many disagree. After all, turnout was actually lower than predicted by the Secretary of State’s office, and the increase from 2000 worked out to just 64 additional voters per Ohio precinct. "Everybody saw it coming — the huge lines, the huge voter turnout," says Britton. "We’re very concerned that county officials did not adequately prepare."

"It was poor planning, and I think you lay that on the head of the governor and secretary of state," Trevas says.

But Republican governor Bob Taft and Blackwell did prepare: they reduced the number of polling places, ensuring long lines.
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HERE’S THE rub: a Phoenix analysis shows that the precinct reductions disproportionately hurt Ohio’s Democratic turnout.

Of Ohio’s 88 counties, 20 suffered a significant reduction — shutting at least 20 percent (or at least 30) of their precincts. Most of those counties have Republicans serving as Board of Elections director, including the four biggest: Cuyahoga, Montgomery, Summit, and Lucas.

Those 20 counties went heavily to Gore in 2000, 53 to 42 percent. The other 68 counties, which underwent little-to-no precinct consolidation, went exactly the opposite way in 2000: 53 to 42 percent to Bush.

(a little more than four paragraphs, but several of them are one sentence paragraphs)

it should not be overlooked as a major factor.
The vote tampering needs to be proved still. Voter suppression is obvious.

Thank you for pasting those paragraphs. That's been my contention all along, that the GOP used standard voter suppression and intimidation, most of it long before election day. That was their MO, not rigged machines. And it indicates why we desperately need to reclaim more governorships and high statewide offices to prevent theft like that.

Let this thing play out....I don't care what anybody says, this thing is not going away until Americans are satisfied that the vote still counts in this country! Be happy....and stay tuned.

blog on Hardblogger says the story will be on Hardball tomorrow. Shuster says in an earlier blog that there are definitely enough screw ups to initiate an investigation by the GAO.

He also talked to people about the Ohio recount.

This afternoon, I spoke with Blair Bobier, the attorney/spokesman for David Cobb, the Green Party's 2004 candidate for President. Bobier confirms that the press release floating on the net is legitimate. The Green Party is combining forces with the Libertarian Party to seek a statewide election recount in Ohio.

Unlike Florida in 2000, Ohio's recount rules are straightforward and specific. Once the Ohio vote is certified, which I'm told could happen as early as next week, the Green/Libertarian group will have five days to file a formal application for statewide recount. In addition, the group must then deposit $10 for every precinct to be recounted.

Based on the number of precincts in Ohio, a statewide recount will cost the Green/Libertarian group about $110,000. However, the group expects to raise that money "rather easily" within the next few days.

Once the recount application has been filed, the recount itself must begin within 10 days. So, expect to see the formal recount kick-off in early December.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5445086/

than smirk's MANdate mini-world.

...looks like your name is truthseeker1...want some truth?

What have you got?

BTW, how many posts did you have before your name change?

Whether or not Kerry threw the race, I'll continue to vote democratic. But I think it's possible he threw the race, I'm disappointed by how quickly he conceded after promising to count every vote.

I live in NYC, and it seems like the Republicans have won control of the city and state government running against weak democratic candidates who ran to lose.

The answer is to get directly involved in the democratic party at the local level and push for change, support candidates who are willing to stand up against the status quo

They were IN ON IT!

Damn, and this was my first time voting Dem too, and I got suckered again. I will never vote for a mainstream party again.

but there is no way, I'll ever believe Kerry was in on it. :(

Is the DNC leaning on him?

Dennis Kucinich seems to be more concerned than Kerry about the
possible fraud, and it doesn't even affect him.

At the very least, Kerry should be jumping up and shouting about
paperless voting, because it's clearly so undemocratic. If he's
not prepared to make a fuss when there are so many unhappy voters
out there, perhaps he wasn't the right man for the job after all.

if we go ahead and count ALL the VOTES?

How generous.

"the outcome of the election is not in doubt."

Hmmm... does he know he won?
I really hope so.

It'd be really hard watching a man we all had so much riding on bend over for B*. I don't think so, though.

He WAS in law enforcement....

But I can't post yet....


November 13 & 15, 2004

Public hearings on election irregularities and voter suppression in Columbus, Ohio

We are calling on anyone who experienced or observed election irregularities or voter suppression this election season to come to give testimony at a public hearing before public officials, community representatives and the media. Your stories will be documented, recorded and put into a report and formal complaint to the Board of Elections. If you have any information about election irregularities please participate.

Saturday, November 13
1-4 p.m.
New Faith Baptist Church
955 Oak St.
Columbus, Ohio, 43205.

Monday, November 15
6-9 p.m.
Franklin County Courthouse
373 S. High St.
Meeting Room A, auditorium

Sponsored by Citizen's Alliance for Secure Elections, the CICJ, League of Pissed Off Voters, Election Protection Coalition, Common Cause, WVKO Radio.

Location:see above
Phone:253-2571
Email: truth@freepress.org
Website:http://www.indyvoter.org/

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

Interesting huh!!!

Are we finding out he is chosing to tank on us?

And you call us Conspiracy theorists?????

F*CK MSNBC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE SOMEONE -- start a new thread with this. I'm too new to start a new thread. Read the article, then post! It's really damning.

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/The_unexplained_exit_poll_discrepancy_v00k.pdf

What an a$$hole! This is what he said before the story was on.
(Paraphrasing):
Up next, internet chatter on election fraud...
the conspiracyt theoriesvs. the "facts."


Yeah, like the "facts" are the gospel truth..

this would be top of the news every single night and the only thing on the cable news programs, there would be no end to the coverage. We all know that is the reality of the situation. I think they know it too. Anybody who dismisses this and says this should not be investigated for the sake of our democracy can kiss my lilly white ass and that includes anybody in the Democratic party!