Drudge: Bin Laden has Religious Approval to use Nuclear Bomb on Americans

FORMER HEAD OF CIA'S OSAMA BIN LADEN UNIT SAYS THE QAEDA LEADER HAS SECURED RELIGIOUS APPROVAL TO USE A NUCLEAR BOMB AGAINST AMERICANS
Fri Nov 12 2004 12:02:34 ET

Osama bin Laden now has religious approval to use a nuclear device against Americans, says the former head of the CIA unit charged with tracking down the Saudi terrorist. The former agent, Michael Scheuer, speaks to Steve Kroft in his first television interview without disguise to be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, Nov. 14 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Scheuer was until recently known as the "anonymous" author of two books critical of the West's response to bin Laden and al Qaeda, the most recent of which is titled Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror. No one in the West knows more about the Qaeda leader than Scheuer, who has tracked him since the mid-1980s. The CIA allowed him to write the books provided he remain anonymous, but now is allowing him to reveal himself for the first time on Sunday's broadcast; he formally leaves the Agency today (12).

Even if bin Laden had a nuclear weapon, he probably wouldn't have used it for a lack of proper religious authority - authority he has now. " secured from a Saudi sheik...a rather long treatise on the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the Americans," says Scheuer. " found that he was perfectly within his rights to use them. Muslims argue that the United States is responsible for millions of dead Muslims around the world, so reciprocity would mean you could kill millions of Americans," Scheuer tells Kroft.

Scheuer says bin Laden was criticized by some Muslims for the 9/11 attack because he killed so many people without enough warning and before offering to help convert them to Islam. But now bin Laden has addressed the American people and given fair warning. "They're intention is to end the war as soon as they can and to ratchet up the pain for the Americans until we get out of their region....If they acquire the weapon, they will use it, whether it's chemical, biological or some sort of nuclear weapon," says Scheuer.

As the head of the CIA unit charged with tracking bin Laden from 1996 to 1999, Scheuer says he never had enough people to do the job right. He blames former CIA Director George Tenet. "One of the questions that should have been asked of Mr. Tenet was why were there always enough people for the public relations office, for the academic outreach office, for the diversity and multi-cultural office? All those things are admirable and necessary but none of them are protecting the American people from a foreign threat," says Scheuer.

And the threat posed by bin Laden is also underestimated, says Scheuer. "I think our leaders over the last decade have done the American people a disservice...continuing to characterize Osama bin Laden as a thug, as a gangster," he says. "Until we respect him, sir, we are going to die in numbers that are probably unnecessary, yes. He's a very, very talented man and a very worthy opponent," he tells Kroft.

Until today (12), Scheuer was a senior official in the CIA's counter terrorism unit and a special advisor to the head of the agency's bin Laden unit.

Developing...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

When I realized what Drudge-boy meant I thought "what else is new."

was predictable. The Christian right whether by stupidity or by design is leading us to Armageddon.

In the book Imperial Hubris this was explained. Osama needed approval to use WMD's since they may also kill Muslims in America. Of course after the election we will learn of this and that maybe we have not been attacked again not because Bush was so good at keeping us safe. Rather maybe Osama did not try to hit us again because he agreed not to hit us again until after giving Americans the chance to reject our government. Not that I believe regardless of who won would have changed him.

Osama has no nukes.

An abandoned Taliban building in Kabul contained an alarming document that apparently described how to make an atomic bomb. But a webmaster recognized it as a 1979 parody.
http://www.alternet.org/story/11935

HOW TO BUILD AN ATOM BOMB
The rumors that have unfortunately occurred as a result of widespread misinformation can (and must) be cleared up now, for the construction project this month is the construction of a thermonuclear device, which will hopefully clear up any misconceptions you might have about such a project. We will see how easy it is to make a device of your very own in ten easy steps, to have and hold as you see fit, without annoying interference from the government or the courts.
The project will cost between $5,000 and $30,000, depending on how fancy you want the final product to be. Since last week's column, "Let's Make a Time Machine", was received so well in the new step-by-step format, this month's column will follow the same format.
CONSTRUCTION METHOD
First, obtain about 50 pounds (110 kg) of weapons grade Plutonium at your local supplier (see NOTE 1). A nuclear power plant is not recommended, as large quantities of missing Plutonium tends to make plant engineers unhappy. We suggest that you contact your local terrorist organization, or perhaps the Junior Achievement in your neighborhood.
Please remember that Plutonium, especially pure, refined Plutonium, is somewhat dangerous. Wash your hands with soap and warm water after handling the material, and don't allow your children or pets to play in it or eat it. Any left over Plutonium dust is excellent as an insect repellant. You may wish to keep the substance in a lead box if you can find one in your local junk yard, but an old coffee can will do nicely.
<snip>
NOTES
1. Plutonium (PU), atomic number 94, is a radioactive metallic element formed by the decay of Neptunium and is similar in chemical structure to Uranium, Saturium, Jupiternium, and Marisum.
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How can you be fooled by this stuff?

No shit, fedora boy. Now go back to trolling public rest rooms, you jackass. UGH, he makes me sick. :mad:

what advantage does AWoL have by trying to scare the sheeple at this point? is he afraid of a recount before he is re-annointed king of the world?

The guy from the CIA, is REAL. Drudge is an asshole, and he loves the shock value. BUT the story is real, and the guy just left the CIA because they were muzzling him on what he knows about OBL and Bush, et al.

I also think it makes Bush look like a fool anytime Bin Laden is mentioned. I think people start thinking, or I'd hope they do, why is Saddam in Jail (who didn't attack us) and why is Bin Laden (who by all accounts did attack us) still free to plan more attacks.

I hope all the idiots that voted for Bush, 'cuz he's gonna keep us safe' are happy. Cause and effect, that's the thing about terrorism. Bush insists on his ethnic cleansing in the Middle East, and we breed more terrorists... Doesn't he understand? The REAL politicians, and the scholars, and the people understand, threatening terrorists with death is a joke. Dying for their cause appears to be an honor. Better we should hunt down terrorist criminals, BUT also get back to diplomacy, not crusades, to calm the Middle East. It makes me ill to think of how many hundreds of thousands of people of all faiths are killed in the world, because of the actions of a handful of men. Women need to rule the world for a while..

cronies who abetted terrorism for years.

Shame on them.

Yer girlie-hat's on too tight.

The Fatua was issued in the late 1990s...It's why Richard Clarke told Bush in Janurary 2001 that al Queda was their biggest problem...without effect.

according to Scheuer.

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

The next Terrorism event which will give them an excuse to impose martial law,Suspend the Constitution and begin the draft to complete their goal of world domination, At least any part of the world that has a functioning oil well

How totally stupid do they imagine we are ?

Oh, Never mind.

Check out the blast maps at:
http://www.nuclearterrorism.org/blastmaps.html

The link is from Harvard University. You can plug in your zip code and see what's left of your town after a 10kt blast. Note that Hiroshima was 15kt and Nagasaki was 20kt.

the man we have been after for almost four years who was used as a pretext to divert a war to a country with an innocent population who our pResident then called a non-threat is still at large and capable of attacking Americans?

Freakin' A', half the American population is stupid.

who is this osama feller?

sounds like somebody we ought to keep an eye on.

We have bigger fish to fry. Kicked Cat Stevens out on his ass...didn't we?

*wtmusic fries like egg*

limit so that the one person who can save amerika can
stay around for a few more terms until the war on terrorism
is under control. No wonder jeb is not running in 08,
awol doesn't want to step out of the way.

as well as the New and Disapproved Bush Doctrine. And while they're at it, why not invade another country? Isn't that why Osama has been resurrected?

Maybe that's why the tanks were rolled out in LA the other day. Just getting in a little practice on fast response to crowd control?

The "On Their Watch," kill every spawn of Satan junta IS the problem.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/on_their_watch.html

At the very least, Bush extremists invite, then benefit from disaster. I can't think of anything more pathological.

Stephen Pitt

its how the global arms business has operated for years.

bin laden, it appears, is an employee of theirs.

and the current jihad very well. I have "Imperial Hubris". He explains that the view from Bin Laden is his actions are all defensive. The view bush pushes, of course, is that its offensive. Therefore, we need to control it by invading nation states in the area (our great folly). This only leads to people of the region taking Bin Laden as credible.

Islam has no central figure like the Pope or the head of the Baptist Council. There are a lot of little schools, kind of like denominations, and they are headed by sheiks, whose jobs are to make rulings on whether something is allowed or disallowed under Islamic Law. There are actually four rulings that can be made. Something can be forbidden, allowed, encouraged, or required. They base their decisions on the Qur'an, on the hadith (sayings, basically) of the Prophet, and on traditions, including the traditional interpretations of the particular school.

We keep arresting sheiks because they make pronouncements that it is allowed for terrorists to attack us, and Muslims get mad because these pronouncements are much like confessions for Catholics-- they are supposed to be sacred, and they do not require or encourage the follower to actually do anything.

But Bin Laden would have had little trouble finding some sheik somewhere to rule that using a nuclear weapon on the US would be allowed. Some of the more fundie schools of Islam believe that all of the non-Islamic world must be converted or destroyed-- very much like Coulter, Ashcroft and Delay feel about the non-Christian world.

Bush doesn't have any particular beliefs or concerns either way, of course, as long as they keep him supplied with beer and babes.

and do not know what a Caliph is. Read Michael's books.

That's one of the revivalists goals is to reestablish the Caliphate. Still, one thing that is strange about Osama 'seeking permission' from a Sheik is that he has claimed the right to itijihad and to issue fatwas in his own name. I have had discussions with Pakistani Islamists who refer to Osama as Sheik Osama

Wasn't that the concept in Anonymous' book that gave liberals pause? There was only some question about whether he advocated it or not.

Let Americans think for a week or two, about bin laden with nukes and blowing Bush's enemies off the face of the earth will become more palatable to his supporters. You only have to make the people think they are under attack and that dissenters are unpatriotic...

Osama is a cockroach. I'll be damned if I'll respect that little insect.

There will always be cockroaches. When a cockroach gets into a kitchen, you don't blame the cockroach. You blame the housekeeper.

I don't give a damn how many nuclear weapons the cockroach has. It is up to Bush to make sure none of them show up here.

But George is busy.

But Asscroft saved us all from terrorists
They re-opened Penn Avenue this week
They lowered the financial institution threat level to yellow (or with this cabal, I should say "yullow")

Why should we be afraid?

Bringing down the Berlin Wall was glorious, but it removed the rationale for supressing social and economic justice. They needed another Red Menace, and Bin Laden has kindly stepped in to the role.

:hi:

And they are going to use their friendly neighborhood 'Osama' to get it. Now, the question is, which city are they going to take out? Will it be here in the US? That would put us into martial law and stop all these questions about election fraud and everything else. It would also certainly nullify any questions about or opposition to the DRAFT which they are going to need for total global dominance. Then again, perhaps it should be a European city that get nuked--Is Paris Burning? That would get the EUROs attention--and we all know how important THAT concern is to them.

Decisions, decisions.

The terrorists lost the election, Bush will keep us safe.

Not only do you need a weapon but you need a way to get it here and detonate it.

Sounds like an excuse for government control.

detonation = 380 tons of high grade explosives available from Iraq

Reportedly lost by the former Soviet Union several years ago. Speculation is they were sold to you know who. They are shielded so that radiation detectors would not pick them up. Small little things capable of clearing only 10-20 city blocks. Delivery? Fedex maybe? Maybe cargo hold of planes or ships. May have been delivered several years ago. Who knows.

Have to manufacture a nuclear threat before they can get away with that shit, right?

We've heard from Bob Jones University, kissing up to junior and putting down the Dem's. Then Ashcroft on Judge Peterson. Then Bill Frist to Democrats: Stop Blocking Judges. Jerry Falwell taking over the religious duties of America. A submarine sneaking around Japan's waters, while junior won't talk to North Korea.
While the dollar is sinking faster than we can say hello to the Euro, this asshole Drugi comes up with this two for a nickle one for a dime fucking shit.

Fuck you Drudge!!

it's not a joke. it has nothing to do with Drudge, really.

Every time someone clicks on Drudge his advertising income goes up!
So can't we please, please leave this insufferable, dangerous man alone? Half the time his "scoops" end up being wrong anyway.

Sorry to be a sourpuss, but I have sworn off all these enablers and collaborators of the Bush regime. I removed Drudge from my "favorites" on November 3 and feel much the better for it.

We should be the last people in the world to want to line his pockets!

And he oh so wants to use one. "Just a little one. Please! Please!" He may threaten to hold his breath if he is not allowed to use one.

It is silly and naive to think that nuclear weapons will not be used again. And it is a guessing game as to who uses them first and against whom. I think the next nuclear weapon to be used will be used by the US, but that is just my guess.

During the Cold War people were more realistic about the likelihood of nukes being used against the US. It was expected that it would happen someday. Now that we have been told ad nauseum by Bush that the American people are supposed to cower in fear from the great brute bin Laden, realistic assessments of danger are a bad thing.

I am not worried. I still have my duct tape.

developed just so tha t* would actually get to use one or "some"
--so cool !!-just like a video game!!
you could take out an entire city w just a teenie weenie one.

And speaking of APROVAL,
CONGRESS gave the ok to develop them!
that's right, Dems and Pukes alike.
To hell with current leaders.
Let's get some real ones, eh.
what's it gonna take?
A revolution?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/12/60minutes/main655407.shtml

Osama bin Laden now has religious approval to use a nuclear device against Americans, says the former head of the CIA unit charged with tracking down the Saudi terrorist.

The former agent, Michael Scheuer, speaks to Steve Kroft in his first television interview without disguise to be broadcast on 60 Minutes, Sunday, Nov. 14, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

<snip>

" secured from a Saudi sheik...a rather long treatise on the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the Americans," says Scheuer. " found that he was perfectly within his rights to use them. Muslims argue that the United States is responsible for millions of dead Muslims around the world, so reciprocity would mean you could kill millions of Americans."

Scheuer says bin Laden was criticized by some Muslims for the Sept. 11 attack because he killed so many people without enough warning and before offering to help convert them to Islam. But now, bin Laden has addressed the American people and given fair warning.

"Their intention is to end the war as soon as they can, and to ratchet up the pain for the Americans until we get out of their region," says Scheuer. "If they acquire the weapon, they will use it, whether it's chemical, biological or some sort of nuclear weapon."

I wish some DU'ers would get over their knee-jerk reaction every time they see Drudge mentioned. Some stories he posts are real. I'm in the midst of reading Imperial Hubris. Interesting book.

sources, sometimes before a link exists. Most of his "stories" are junk, but like a broken clock, he may be right twice a year. This is one of them.

Bin Laden is apparently trying to appear statesmanlike, if one can be a statesman and do what he has done. In his eyes, though, the state is all of Islam and he is nearly Islam, much like Napoleon: The state, the state is me!(roughly).

In bin Laden's version of Islam, the state is religion and vice versa, so there must be religious permission for state action. OBL now has it.

He has warned us that he is planning another operation in his latest video. He offered us the chance to sort of "repent" in order to avoid his wrath, which seems to be important in Islam.

We may be in for another attack.

it will be on one of the coast. because face it there are not enough people in the middle of the country to get a big body count.

And OBL has spoken of the 'underbelly of America'. And that is all red down there, and includes Texas, sorry to say.

That security at chemical plants is JOKE (I've worked temp at some of them), and that the Port of Houston also has lax security. My stepdad is a longshoreman. If a ship comes in from a country known to be "Bad", they comb through it looking for things that shouldn't be there...Otherwise, it's just routine spot checking.

I can't leave this state soon enough.

Billy Graham Jr said he shouldn't be affraid to use nuclear bombs if he needed to.