US troops fighting new Iraq rebellion - Brigade Redeployed to Mosul

Go figure.

Satan is everywhere. We must exorcize the demon!

:shrug:

"the jihadists are like cockroaches, you get rid of them in one place they just pop up in another."

This is gonna get real ugly for everyone involved. So, when's the draft gonna be reinstated? My four nephews are draft age and their parents are saying no way are they going off to die for Bush and his cronies. It's gonna take a lot of people saying "NO" before this insanity ends.

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try to smack down a mole coming out of his hole and another pops up.

I guess you could call this a Hydra too.

At the beginning, I'm sure I read that was the number that had amassed outside the city. Why not take troops from elsewhere? Maybe somewhere that isn't engaged in battle? IS there such a place in Iraq?

Why is it that nothing in Iraq makes any sense!?

and it is going to make us very very angry

the could use some of the other 120000 but
like you said, "nothing in Iraq makes any sense".

Lucky for Bush most think 2 + 2 is 5.

what the hell is going on?

less than half of the forces are actual combat forces...the rest are cooks, supply, transportation, aviation, MP, laywers, doctors, communications, etc...

only a fraction are Marines trained in close-quarters urban counter-insurgency battle.

We are spread way too thin. Eventually, this is going to be Bush's Vietnam in scale as well as every other respect.

I say bring on the draft.

rcm

and not usually involved in fighting.

Sigh..

Bush isn't going to stop until he kills every Iraqi.

Never show up for your own pogrom.

eom

I just cannot imagine how horrible the truth must be.

The worst news is released on Turkeyday Eve.

BTW-I love that -don't attend your own pogrom.

I don't believe one word that comes out of our press, although I wonder how much they're letting Aljazeera tell)

Journalists based in Mosul are telling Aljazeera that anti-US fighters in Mosul may have taken control of the northern Iraqi city, contrasting US military statements that the situation is under their control.



Various reports on Friday suggested that Iraqi police and national guards had disappeared from view as masked armed men were wandering freely around Iraq's second largest city.

A main road to the local governorate and police station was littered with roadside bombs, making movement in the heart of the city hazardous, French news agency AFP reported.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FC86975A-A92E-4980-A716-CB733C9903C1.htm

They said that both Iraqi police and U.S. military had withdrawn from Mossul. That city is ten times bigger than Fallujah ...

This is just going to keep going on and on and on. We go somewhere, the insurgents leave, so we devastate the city and kill tons of innocent people along with a few of the actual bad guys. We learn absolutely nothing new about their operations as well as fail to gain "control" of the rubble we've created. Then BOOM- we turn around, see that the insurgents are 500 km away, then run over there. Wash, rinse, repeat.

All the while Iraqi citizens are dying and having their deaths being called "jusitifed" because they were in the area where insurgents once were/maybe might maybe still be, and they weren't wearing a big sign on their head that says "I AM NOT A TERRORIST, I AM A MOTHER OF 3 WHO JUST WANTS WATER." Of course, even if they were wearing one of those signs they would die anyway and we would hear Official Army Stories about how at some vague place at some vague time it once happened a woman was wearing one of those signs then, when troops approached, she fired a gun at some vague soldier, so they are not to be trusted.

Then sons run off and join the insurgency. And we keep wondering where they keep coming from.

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I strongly believe. We don't have enough people there to quell this so more will have to be sent there. Who is left to send what with our pared down military. This is getting worse by the day. I would like to just pull out of there today. It will go fundie in no time flat and the mullahs will take control except in the kurish areas

in Afghanistan. BushCo is too STOOOPID to know that though and will continue to sacrifice lives until the US is broke just like the USSR.

Welcome to DU, noshenanigans!! :hi:

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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Fucking politicians directing things.


Did Vietnam teach them nothing???





Oh wait...they all avoided Vietnam like the fucking cowards they are! :mad: :mad: :mad:

war that they forsook when they were young, and to feel like the men they aren't.

There really is nothing, in my estimation, as despicable as a chickenhawk, and Bush is the Chickenhawk-in-Chief.

dang

Johnson said, while running against Barry Goldwater, that he was not going to send "Americans boys to do what Asian boys should be doing."

Johnson won the election, and there was a draft. If LBJ lied then we all know damn well that Bush will re-enact the draft. But it will be
all done under the table, and then one day men ages 18-24 will start getting those letters inviting them to go on an all expenses paid trip to an exotic land.

``All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaeda, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.''

to feel the love and democracy we are bring them. These guys are going to be worn down from chasing their tail, they'll never catch it, and they are going to be easier and easier to kill.

As if this whole thing wasn't a complete f*ckup from day one, now they're splitting up forces?

Have they already forgotten "Divide and conquer"

Those stupid, stupid, stupid motherf*ckers!

This will never end, at least, in our favor, whatever that may be. We're fucked.

Kind of happy to see it,actually :shrug:

We are definitely be out-guerillad in that fucking place. Let's get our troops the fuck out of there.

But if you put all the Rag Heads on a train and gas them in camps and burn their bodies --- you will win. You only have to kill 50 Million Satanists or so-- and you can walk down the streets of Iraq as if it was Smallville. </sarcasm>

I got your sarcasm. I wonder how many more people will have to die in Iraq before our "leader" figures this shit out.

Pop up, attack the stronger military force then melt away into the populace! Of course Shrub doesn't read (odd that he has a Minor in HISTORY!) Partisans are impossible to fight!

Yikes

I have just carried out a quick study on the number of soldiers that the UK government deployed in Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles in the 1970's. There were over 30,000 troops stationed in a province with a population of about 1.5 million people. Using those figures as a rough guideline I estimate that the US military need between 450,000 to 500,000 soldiers on the ground to have any chance of success in Iraq. Given that the current insurgency makes Ulster at its worst look like a Quaker convention, these numbers are probably on the low side. The argument that the Iraqi national guard and police force will make up the shortfall in manpower does not stand up to analysis. The British had far better trained police force in the Ulster constabulary and a superior national guard in the form of the Ulster Defence Regiment yet they still had to place upto a quarter of their army in Northern Ireland. The only way that the US government can deploy this type of force in Iraq is either by stripping troops from other areas or by expanding enlistment by reinstituting the draft. There are no prizes for guessing which of these two options is most likely.

when in reality everytime an insurgent is killed, new insurgents emerge from their family and clan. Also, there is an assumption that everyone in Iraq is either for us or against us (sound familiar). In reality there are part-time insurgents, insurgent sypathizers, and people supporting us now who will become insurgents in the future when something occurs to inflame them.

The premise we can go into a town like Fallujah and kill all the insurgents (even assuming they would not leave days or weeks beforehand) is completely misguided.

Scott Ritter, before the war, said there would be 23 million insurgents if we invaded.

I don't know anymore if this administration wants stability, or if they want to ramp up the conflict in the whole region.

Al Mawsil is Mosul. Is the key
to Northern Iraq, the gateway to Turkey.
Who controls Mosul controls oil to Turkey.

IRR-Friday 101204

Resistance maintains control of Mosul.

The American Associated Press (AP) and other Western
news media admitted on Friday that the Iraqi Resistance was
in charge of Mosul - the third largest city in the country -
after puppet police had been driven from the streets, and
US forces had been driven off at dawn from the five
strategic bridges that link the two sides of the city
together.

American forces were reportedly being rushed to the city in
a frantic effort by the aggressors to regain control. Al-
Jazeera reported American aircraft running air strikes on
the rebellious city Friday evening, although they noted that
the Americans were denying that the Resistance had
seized control there.

The puppet regime installed by the Americans in
Baghdad dismissed the puppet police chief in Mosul
after reports that the puppet police in the city were
surrendering their posts to the Resistance without firing a
shot.

The American Associated Press (AP) reported that
the Resistance in Mosul attacked the local headquarters of
the collaborationist Kurdish chauvinist so-called “Patriotic
Union of Kurdistan” party where a battle raged for an hour.

The Resistance also reportedly assassinated the puppet chief
of the Mosul “anti-crime” task force Brigadier General
Muwaffaq Muhammad Dahham and set his house
ablaze.

In a telephone interview with al-Jazeera satellite TV, Sayf ad-
Din al-Baghdadi, an official in the Resistance political
bureau called for battle against US forces around the country.
“I call on the scores or hundreds of the brothers from
the mujahideen . . . to press the American forces
outside” al-Fallujah, the AP quoted him as
saying.

“We chose the path of armed jihad and say clearly that
ridding Iraq of the occupation will not be done by ballots.
Iyyad ‘Allawi’s government. . . represents the
fundamentalist right-wing of the White House and not the
Iraqi people,” he asserted.

Saturday 13 November 2004, 2:08 Makka Time, 23:08 GMT

Journalists based in Mosul are telling Aljazeera that local anti-US fighters
may have taken control of the northern Iraqi city, contrasting US military
statements that the situation is under their control.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FC86975A-A92E-4980-A716-CB733C9903C1.htm