Major bugs found in diebold vote systems

A fellow newbie alerted me to this artical...
He/She cant post yet but, I thought you all might be interested in it..
Here goes..

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041112-112037-7263r.htm

Peace,
Longgrain

... due to Moonie Times as the source....

Who invited them anyways?

It says UPI, isn't that United Press International, the cited source?

Regardless, it's a harmless article. Good to see the info spreading beyond the Internet, though. All these tangible flaws being found and reported should help influence the public perception regarding the insanity of all-electronic voting.

Is owned by the Moonies, that's why Helen Thomas quit....they are up to the same thing they did in the campaign, find a strength or something that will get attention and make it look like they are the ones that uncover the truth.....try to get ahead of the pack....want to take the credit and point others away from them....

Not a new story. Just a rehash of the Avi Rubin student review and the DES encryption less-than-stellar coding.

is a little suspect in my book.

how freakin may lines of code does it take to add one to another number?

voting machines do nothing more than add the number of times a "button" is pushed.

no subtracting, dividing or multiplying, so it is not even a calculator. just an adding machine. or multiple adding machines, one for each "race".

it should require very few lines of code.

UNLESS you were trying to hide something in there that you didn't want others to see.

so, boggle them with complexity.

... i assumer there is a lot of code for configuring the interface to include many different candidates, parties, offices etc. but still seems a bit bloated to me.

WTF?

and the news service supplying the news is owned by Moon.

You had me scared today on the money issue.

What happened?

ON EDIT: Here's the thread -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2681575

Thanks Longgrain

:grr: :grr: WTF have the repukes done to our democracy.
It's just a sham now.

Intersting. This right wing Turd piece is putting out something like this? Why?

I believe the fix is on. Of course no media outlet is saying anything about it. Which is typical.

I wonder what it will take to open all of this up to a thorough investigation?

It's not fit for birdcage liner.

Believe nothing.

Old news.

But it's a bit out of context. It says

but it means least bit concerned with security and this stuff could never have
passed any decent certification process that looked at security]

also

Who has been blooded on the field of battle in the Tech Wars, I would say that this is Big Shit.

Sure would like to get my hands on that code. Oh well, another day, another fantasy.

Geeks all over the country were downloading that code to check it out for her.

I remember one response was shock that they'd used a bit from an old Atari....I remember it because it made me laugh.

Ask her.

You would think this is HUGE but this is the first I'm hearing about this one...

Is this legitimate?

days....Wonder why the Moonie Times picked it up....

to have Diebold and ES&S to release all of their current source code. I'm worried that they're been scurrying to cover their tracks since Nov 3rd.

Of the the post, but not the one who found the article, I'm afraid I can't vouchsafe for it validity or the intentions of the newbie poster who first brought it to my attention, (Yes, I know...Moonie Times).

Could be a trick, could be a red herring...I don't know...

I'm still new to this board...

Please don't shoot the messenger.:D

give it more validity with some who would just dismiss the "liberal" press if they brought it up.

I'm new as well and found the article that Longgrain so graciously posted for me. I just saw Washington Times and couldn't believe they actually printed the story. But I also saw UPI but didn't think anything of it. Was I duped?

The Wash Times and UPI are owned by the Rev. Moon, google him.
Helen Thomas quite UPI when Moon bought it.

I knew that, I was having a serious brain cramp. I guess I never put two and two together:) Thanks again for the welcome.

refers to the washington times, which is owned by reverend moon, who considers himself to be a messiah, and is a powerful backer of the fraudulent little squirt in the whitehouse.

edit for spelling

I should add, on behalf of Algreen90, refers to the Rev. Sun Yun Moon, who owns the USA Today, wahs Post, and others...

He was a big donor to "shrub" the first's reelection back in 1992...

didn't. google hard enough...

The WAHS Post thing was meant to be a joke BTW...

Ya know... Wah--wah...

guess it didn't click...

Longgrain

it is definitely very good.

"Computer Science Professor Avi Rubin of John Hopkins University analyzed Diebold's 47,609 lines of code and found it uses an encryption key that was hacked in 1997 and no longer is used in secure programs.

Rubin said Diebold has said it repaired the security flaws in subsequent programs, but that the company has not produced the code for analysis.

-snip-

The Digital Encryption Standard 56-bit encryption key used can be unlocked by a key embedded in all the source code, meaning all Diebold machines would respond to the same key.

Rubin, his graduate students and a colleague from Rice University found other bugs, that the administrator's PIN code was "1111" and that one programmer had inserted, "This is just a hack for now."

The implication is that by hacking one machine you could have access to all Diebold machines. "

:hi::loveya::toast::grouphug::toast::loveya::hi:

Thanx for the warm welcome...

I'm not exactly a newbie...

I've been lurking for a long time...

Longer than you could probably imnagine...

I'm just shy...

:hi:

and one more...

:dem:

of information act, no security testing was done on
the machine. The checkbox for security testing was
left unchecked. An oversight, I think not. Rove's
swine minions needed access Nov 2.

... this Kool-Aid... My gut tells me "No"... I would just love to believe this...

Let's ask ourselves, why would the WT print such a story?

Avi Rubin reported on the Diebold precinct-level code with his group of Johns Hopkins and Rice computer experts back in July 2003.

Is the Washington Times in some sort of time machine?

Here is the actual analysis done then:

Rubin co-wrote Analysis of an Electronic Voting System
July 23, 2003
http://avirubin.com/vote.pdf

The Times broke the White House callboy story in '89. The writer of the piece said the word came down soon after to back off. But still, there it is:

documentary that went with it.

Thanks Longgrain for sharing this with us. Diebold is by no means secure and neither are their programs. Just hope more of the mainstream media will actually follow stories like this - doubt it will though, that would mean making waves.

Everybody was talking about it. Some members of Congress tried to get to the bottom of this, but were blocked by the Republicans. All we can do is stop talking about it and start SCREAMING about it.

In the first place, our democracy should NEVER be in the hands of private corporations that protect their "proprietary rights" over our civil rights.

"Diebold did return a call for comment."

They DID? Then why didn't you write about it, you turkey?!

Jus' going to bed...

Jus' happy to know that, this, only my second post, has gathered so much attention...

"Faith in Truth is the religion of the educated"

Longgrain.