Four U.S. Helicopters Hit by Insurgent Gunfire; Crews Return Safely

NNN0LHI

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Sat Nov-13-04 06:35 AM
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Four U.S. Helicopters Hit by Insurgent Gunfire; Crews Return Safely

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBIR8LJH1E.html

NEAR FALLUJAH (AP) - Four U.S. helicopters were hit by ground fire in two separate attacks near Fallujah, but their crews were able to return to base, the U.S. military said Saturday.

The attacks marked the third straight day that helicopters were targeted since the Fallujah offensive began.

Two Kiowa OH-58 helicopters were hit at about 5 a.m. local time during a coordinated ambush in Karma, a town just northeast of Fallujah, the military said.

The pilots had been flying over a canal when they spotted someonelying on the ground next to a car. As they flew lower to investigate, they were hit from both sides of the road by insurgents firing machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades, the U.S. military said.

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DannyRed

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Sat Nov-13-04 06:52 AM
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1. But, but, but

we control Falloojeh!

There are only isolated pockets of resistance!

Major combat operations are complete!!

Sigh.

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leftchick

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Sat Nov-13-04 07:50 AM
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2. oldest trick in the book....

where are all of those missing SAMs?

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jdj

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Sat Nov-13-04 11:09 AM
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9. huh? what am I missing?

the headline jumped out at me...why not just "helicopters hit by gunfire"? these are the same journalist that are always explaining biased headlines by saying that they are trying to save space, so why put in "insurgent"? is it protesting too much, or does it bely the fact that the whole population of Iraq is armed?

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teryang

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Sat Nov-13-04 09:14 AM
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3. That makes nine(?) incidents of helos taking fire

...in three days. Who's in control?

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bemildred

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Sat Nov-13-04 09:21 AM
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4. I dunno, but it's going to get ugly without CAS. nt

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teryang

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Sat Nov-13-04 09:26 AM
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5. They'll go with jets for CAS

Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 09:32 AM by teryang

...above the groundfire, causing more civilian deaths.

In fact, they've already adopted this. It looks like the guerillas have adopted the rather effective barrage fire technique which takes out sectors of the sky without precision targeting information. The Vietnamese used this tactic very effectively. Unlike the Vietnamese, the guerillas haven't unearthed anything yet that can touch the jets.

I'm getting a firewall notice every time I post today.

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bemildred

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Sat Nov-13-04 10:32 AM
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6. Yep, I know.

Hard to do medevac with a jet though, and other things.
What's the firewall say?

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teryang

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Sat Nov-13-04 10:53 AM
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7. I'm not a tech type but

Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 10:54 AM by teryang

...it says something like, firewall has intercepted a sim port attack. The trace shows it going through the bellsouth network usually as it is today. Looks like it originates in Miami. My understanding is that the trace is meaningless because the source is simulated or disguised. So I don't even bother to save them anymore.

Sometimes I have gotten them from evangelical universities and sometimes from NZ or China. Not today though.

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bemildred

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Sat Nov-13-04 11:04 AM
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8. Ah, a port scan.

Common as dirt. What firewalls are for.
I used to run a portwatcher to see them, but it gets boring.

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