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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:46 AM
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Cuffing Bush and the FBI
A serious setback to the Patriot Act, despite the victorious Bush's unstinting support

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Who decides what "relevant" means? The FBI, all by itself. That's why its headquarters are still named after J. Edgar Hoover. You can trust the FBI.

Jameel Jaffer, a lawyer for the ACLU involved in this case, told me both why the National Security Letters are so dangerous, and what the effect of Judge Marrero's ruling will be—if it is upheld by the appellate courts all the way up.

"The provision we challenged ," says Jaffer, "allows the FBI to issue NSLs against 'wire or electronic service communication providers.' Telephone companies and Internet service providers " As Judge Marrero noted, the FBI could also use an NSL "to discern the identity of someone whose anonymous web log, or 'blog,' is critical of the Government."

Jaffer adds that by requiring information from telephone companies and Internet providers, "The FBI could . . . effectively obtain a political organization's membership list, like the NAACP or the ACLU, obtain the names of people with whom a journalist has communicated over the Internet."

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http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0446/hentoff.php
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:51 AM
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1. In my humble opinion...
the ACLU will win all of the way on this. There's a case the NAACP was involved in before, that went all of the way up to the Supreme Court, and authorities were told that we could not head in this direction (could not do it).
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:51 AM
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2. If These *asstards Keep Trying To Tighten The Noose
I hope it rebounds and chokes THEM to death
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:54 AM
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3. names of people with whom a journalist has communicated
Since when did the American citizen and journalists become "the terrorists"? Idn't it grand living in dubya land?? Sick sick sick people... always trying to come up with more unconstitutional methods for covering their asses. Long live the SS.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:32 PM
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9. Oh you mean
that they would be able to find out who outed Valerie Plame to Novak?

Or is that a bit of a stretch.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:22 PM
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11. They have to want to first... and it would have to NOT implicate anyone
who matters to their agenda.
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indigolady Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:01 PM
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4. "TIGHTENING THE NOOSE"
In the Wilson Administration it was against the law to say anything (even if it was true) against the president.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:04 PM
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5. say goodbye to
nice places like this
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:06 PM
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6. "If your'e not with us your'e with the terrorists" GWB Sept. 2001
I guess that makes me a Terrorist.
:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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pinerow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:21 PM
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7. Hooray for independent judges...!!
nt
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:31 PM
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8. This is why people will move out of the country!!!
freedom of thought or speech will be greatly impeded!!!
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:41 PM
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10. Sickening.
The first ones to be affected by this, will be the one's who didn't vote for Bush, but when it takes steps further and further down the line, it will inevitably effect the Bush voters. Can anyone tell me when? I want to know and make sure I'm around for that.
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vinessa4freedom Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:43 PM
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12. the UNpatriot Act
I am not a lawyer, but I'm trying to plow my way through the 132 pages of it that aren't "classified." Sheesh. This is a great start, but the PA is the scariest infringement on our rights I've ever seen. Does anyone know if there are other points of it being challenged at this level?

By the way, I'm a newbie here. Hi!
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:52 PM
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13. welcome to DU vinessa!
hello.
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vinessa4freedom Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:26 PM
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14. Thanks!
Thank you for the welcome. To be honest, I've been lurking for a couple of weeks and felt like I'd come "home." So nice to know there are still people who think in this world.:grouphug:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:05 PM
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15. Hi vinessa4freedom!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:43 PM
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16. It's only gonna get worse when the unPatriot Act II gets passed. You can
bet on it! Patriot Act I will be a cake walk!
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