Goss Reportedly Rebuffed Senior Officials at CIA

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48254-2004Nov13.html

Four Fear New Chief Is Isolating Himself

By Walter Pincus and Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, November 14, 2004; Page A06

Within the past month, four former deputy directors of operations have tried to offer CIA Director Porter J. Goss advice about changing the clandestine service without setting off a rebellion, but Goss has declined to speak to any of them, said former CIA officials aware of the communications.

The four senior officials represent nearly two decades of experience leading the Directorate of Operations under both Republican and Democratic presidents. The officials were dismayed by the reaction and were concerned that Goss has isolated himself from the agency's senior staff, said former clandestine service officers aware of the offers.

The senior operations officials "wanted to talk as old colleagues and tell him to stop what he was doing the way he was doing it," said a former senior official familiar with the effort.

Last week, Deputy Director John E. McLaughlin retired after a series of confrontations between senior operations officials and Goss's top aide, Patrick Murray. Days before, the chief of the clandestine service, Stephen R. Kappes, said he would resign rather than carry out Murray's demand to fire Kappes's deputy, Michael Sulick, for challenging Murray's authority.

I'm still wondering how much longer these guys are going to hold back from taking the Bush Misadministration down. These next four years are going to be nothing short of interesting, at the very least.

They are going to fade quietly into the night as most of bush's other critics have. I have NO faith in the CIA doing anything against bush.

specialized in regime change for 50 years.

earlier this month.

I read an article referring to the CIA as being "expert leakers" - well - uh - gee - er - what did they leak that accomplished anything significant?

with you. I had hopes re: Plame, but then, I had alot of hopes prior to Coup 2-2004.

Jenn

..which will then be replaced with handpicked neocon Bush yesmen. I sincerely doubt there's going to be much silence about that as it occurs.

Porter Goss is an arrogant sumbitch who was brought in after Tenet was forced out to suppress a potentially explosive CIA report, permanently if possible but definitely until after the election.

I'm just wondering if all those careerists are going to allow Bushco to destroy the agency, which may be the aim.

After all, they much prefer the Pentagon intelligence offices, since those boys tell them what they want to hear.

I apologize in advance for having nothing short of complete satisfaction in watching the CIA implode under "the Divider" (aka *).

Yes, it hurts our country in the short run, but if "the Divider" makes a complete mess of things, it will sour our country's taste for Repubs and help our world in the long run.

will there still be a world in the long run?

his appointment every step of the way. Oh wait, they didn't. Thanks, folks.

Peeps here said fighting his confirmation "wasn't worth it". I really thought that is was crucial not to have such a BFEE crony in that position, but what do I know?

Mustn't be obstructionists or SD won't return Daschle to DC. Whoops! Now no one wants to take a stand against a proponent of torture and law bending to suit one's madness.

It's like the other party controls the whole govt. Wait...:crazy:

I bet some dems will vote with the repugs on Frists "nuke the filibuster" motion. Some opposition party.

after all, it's in the best interest of bringing our divided nation together. Nevermind that it's the repubs who spawn divisivness.

I am sick of having no leadership

why should his appointments be any different?

The institution must bend to the will of war party. This isn't about finesse.

We're behind the good guys though.

The senior operations officials "wanted to talk as old colleagues and tell him to stop what he was doing the way he was doing it," said a former senior official familiar with the effort.

and how is he doing it?

and the other was the station chief in London. anyone else?

sounds like some kind of terrorism schism in london.

i'll mix it up a bit with the paranoid ideation or conspiracy theory, but wasn't bush the first director fo the CIA at some point? And, didn't I read somewhere that he is the only former president who still continues to receive their daily briefings (or whatever it is that they call their reports) ... And, so many of us believe that Bush the first has his dirty hands on the puppet strings of his first born ... so, now.. the question is... is Porter Goss, I mean, are Porter Goss's strings ... is he too being handled like a puppet by Bush the First? Talk about the ill use of power!!!!!!!!!!!

...read this commentary from David Brooks. Excerpt:

C.I.A. officials are now busy undermining their new boss, Porter Goss. One senior official called one of Goss's deputies, who worked on Capitol Hill, a "Hill Puke," and said he didn't have to listen to anything the deputy said. Is this any way to run a superpower?

Meanwhile, members of Congress and people around the executive branch are wondering what President Bush is going to do to punish the mutineers. A president simply cannot allow a department or agency to go into campaign season opposition and then pay no price for it. If that happens, employees of every agency will feel free to go off and start their own little media campaigns whenever their hearts desire.

If we lived in a primitive age, the ground at Langley would be laid waste and salted, and there would be heads on spikes. As it is, the answer to the C.I.A. insubordination is not just to move a few boxes on the office flow chart.

The answer is to define carefully what the president expects from the intelligence community: information. Policy making is not the C.I.A.'s concern. It is time to reassert some harsh authority so C.I.A. employees know they must defer to the people who win elections, so they do not feel free at meetings to spout off about their contempt of the White House, so they do not go around to their counterparts from other nations and tell them to ignore American policy.

In short, people in the C.I.A. need to be reminded that the person the president sends to run their agency is going to run their agency, and that if they ever want their information to be trusted, they can't break the law with self-serving leaks of classified data.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/13/opinion/13brooks.html?oref=login&hp

Might not be such a bad thing, now that there's no cold war to bother with.

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This is not a bunch of people who play by the rules, this is a bunch of people who crush all opposition and dissent.

If he's alienating senior operatives in the intelligence community, they need to reassess if they actually still exist in the intelligence community. As DiIulio said upon leaving: everything is driven by political concerns. Intelligence is typified by inquisitiveness and a respect for facts; these guys are ideologues who merely look for excuses to do as they please. Rand Beers had that right.

If it seems that he's making political enemies within the institution, it's only because people won't (or can't) believe that those people are not long for that world.

Goss is an insider; never forget that.

There shall be no impartial agencies in the state; the state controls all.

This is a big piece of the plan for the neo-cons. Not just control over the CIA (state police), but walling off of any accountability, checks/balances, and transparency. It's the chaney method of management, the "go f--k yourself" style.

revealed at a critical government agency. Am I the only one to be optimistic about the wide coverage this has received in the press (most of the major papers)? Doesn't sound like the old-time "regime change" experts are gonna go quietly into the night. This has to be humiliating for Bush, Goss and his team for this story to come out this way and so quickly after his rousing "mandate." Guess the CIA didn't get the word.

(I suspect they are purging those who won't play along with the neocons and their Operation Vigilant Warrior that set up the 9/11 disaster. Only the AP quietly carried this story and the networks haven't touched it which tells you what you need to know about THEM.)

Agency planned drill for plane crash last Sept. 11
Associated Press
August 22, 2002

WASHINGTON -- In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft crashed into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.

Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet crashed into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.

The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.

>snip<

"It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise."

Terrorism was to play no role in the exercise, which had been planned for several months, he said.

Adding to the coincidence, American Airlines Flight 77 -- the Boeing 767 that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon -- took off from Dulles at 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 50 minutes before the exercise was to begin. It struck the Pentagon around 9:40 a.m., killing 64 aboard the plane and 125 on the ground.

The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation's spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, most of the 3,000 people who work at agency headquarters were sent home, save for some essential personnel, Haubold said.

An announcement for an upcoming homeland security conference in Chicago first noted the exercise.

In a promotion for speaker John Fulton, a CIA officer assigned as chief of NRO's strategic gaming division, the announcement says, "On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team ... were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day."
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm

(YOU CANNOT LOOK AT THIS INFO WITHOUT SEEING THE SCAM.)
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html)

All those CIA agents running around with nothing to do.

Why did we roll over? Because we were so damn confident John Kerry would win the "election." They are grooming the CIA to become an enforcement arm of the Bu$h regime. Just watch. It is not at all pretty. The Executive Branch will soon have 75% of the power in the US government. Maybe 85%! We are fucked. So fucked.

they would have done it before nov 2nd.

i remember all the talk about the cia being so upset that they WOULD do something to prevent bush from destroying them.

i guess that was all talk.

now they will just all quit, rather than be fired, and there will be a smooth, ripple free change to the ass-kissers of w.

they should allow themselves to be fired, if they want people to take note and start asking questions.

a book coming out two or three years from now will be two or three years too late.

My fear exactly. We are fucked.

This government is a disgrace.

MARGARET WARNER: Have you seen evidence, just from your position,
that in fact Porter Goss has taken action to hold certain people accountable?

I mean, has he actually fired anyone, for instance, or removed anyone?

SEN. SAXBY CHAMBLISS: I'm like Jane, I have not been there, I have not
been consulted by these folks as to the type of action that they're taking, and we shouldn't be.

REP. JANE HARMAN: He did ask for the resignation of the -- I think he's called the chief of
staff of the agency, a few weeks ago, a guy named Buzzy Krongard who was a business fellow

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/fedagencies/july-dec04/cia_11-15.html

The Real Carpetbaggers.

maybe the conduit for 911 put options.