God is a Centrist Democrat - Hillary article Village Voice

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0509,lombardi1,61604,6.html

If it's true that the Democratic Party is about to get religion, then Hillary Clinton is first at the altar. Much has been made of Clinton's newly softened image—the way she tore down her old liberal icon and got spiritual over abortion, for instance. She told an Albany crowd on January 24 that abortion represents "a sad, even tragic choice to many, many women," and singled out "religious and moral values" as an antidote to teenage sex. Never mind the New York junior senator's continued advice that pro-choice activists find "common ground" with their anti-abortion counterparts. Pundits chalked up the putative presidential candidate's remarks to a post-election Democratic shift to the center. After all, the only way to win national office anymore is to move to the middle, and these days that means getting serious about God and guns.
And sure enough, there she was, getting cozy with Republican maverick John McCain on NBC's Meet the Press last week, as he said she'd make "a good president." She played commander in chief, going out of her way to disagree with the hard-left wing of her own party by insisting that the troops must stay in Iraq to keep the insurgents at bay.

Yet for all the notice of Clinton's centrist tone and morality-speak on the national stage, her New York constituents largely missed the senator's real debut as a God-fearing Middle American. It came in a January 19 speech in Boston that made headlines there, with Clinton appearing in a Globe photograph alongside the host, Reverend Eugene Rivers III, one of the state's most outspoken opponents of same-sex marriage.

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I agree Hillary is a petty opportunist who will try to be a Repug light. If she's our 2008 nominee, I'll move to Canada.

Kerry is a better choice who'll fight the Repugs without selling out. He's a patriot and a GREAT leader!! I still got his back for 2008!

and that phony laugh on Meet the Press made me sick. :puke:

She and Leiberman can kiss the repug asses all they want. I will never vote for either of them.

Kerry/Clark 2008 is better ticket.

Refuse to even meet people with whom you disagree!

Why, to have a real "core", you have to scream and throw shoes at people! Being civil - or worse, acting like an adult - is just selling out!

Yup. Hillary is just too gosh darn ultra-right wing for us D.U.ers! We should strengthen the Democratic party by kicking her out! (Or else, I'm leaving!)

Wheeeeeeeeee! :crazy:

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

p.s. Are my posts fitting in a little better here? Or are they still too rational?

I'm having a hard time figuring out what a "conservative democrat" is.

A conservative Democrat is a Republican. No two ways about it. And this is coming from a life-long resident of the land of conservative 'Democrats', West Virginia. Trust me, they aren't even wolves in sheep's clothing, they're wolves, plain and simple. Case in point Zell Miller, Republicunt shill extrordinaire, or the ever-popular (among Republicunts) Conneticut Joe. Fuck them both. No, wait, strike that, fuck 'em all! The words Democrat and conservative are diametrically opposed. You can be one or the other, but you can't be both. I think that it's high time that the party started feeling that way. All this "centrism" common ground business is bullshit. I have no common ground with conservatives of any stripe. I'm proud to be a LIBERAL, and damn anyone who feels the way that I do but is too goddamn scared to shout it from the rooftops.


MojoXN <---- PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL

and I don't see anyone saying that she shouldn't meet with people whom she disagrees with. It seems that she agrees with people whom liberal and many moderate Democrats disagree with. The problem with Sen. Clinton is that she is forgetting that she must win the nomination first. There are too many on the left that she has isolated for her to do that easily. Let's say she does win the nomination. Will she have lukewarm support from the left? If she continues her right-centrist movement, then yes, she will. The right will never support her because she will always be the poster child for evil to them. They won't trust her because they don't trust her husband.

Sen. Clinton has obviously run away from the left toward the middle in an attempt to become more attractive for a presidential run. Those who say she doesn't have a core are pointing this out as opportunistic posturing, and that this move belies a desire for power more than a desire to represent something as a politician.

I'm sure just about everyone here will place a Hillary sticker on their car in the event that she wins the 2008 nomination, but she certainly won't be the first choice. Not a great way to energize the base.

Is going to church "running away from the left"? That's what Republicans would have people believe, but it's surprising to hear the same views from members of the Democratic party as well. I'm amazed at how well GOP propaganda has worked. Our own people argue their talking points in the D.U.

If Democrats truly become perceived as the party of atheism, we have no chance of winning elections. Period. 95% of the voting public maintains some sort of theistic beliefs.

Hillary is simply reminding people that many Democrats have faith too. She also agrees with Church leaders that religion is important, while disagreeing with (or directly opposing) some of their views on the expression of faith.

Yes, that's smart politics. But from everything I've read about Hillary, I have no doubt that her views aren't heartfelt.

I'll make the people in this thread a deal: you stick to bashing Republicans, and I will too. OK?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

It is anti-church sponsored hate. In the article, it discusses Sen. Clinton's appearance with Rev. Rivers, an anti-gay minister. The type of bigotry that people like Rev. Rivers represents is not a Democratic value. If this is the Senator's attempt to appeal to the "moral" crowd, she is losing sight of what it means to be moral and the fact that many liberals despise the push for homophobic laws - church based or secular.

Also, the Senator's seeming wishy-washyness when it comes to a woman's right to choose will win her few friends in the Democratic Party.

Smart politics? Not so when you have to appeal to your base first.

I don't know where you got the atheism thing, but a large portion of good, Christian Democrats believe in choice and reject homophobia.

As for bashing Democrats, I'll critique anyone who threatens what we should stand for - Republican or Democrat. If the good Senator wishes to continue to run away from the left toward the right, then she will be critiqued as well. I would hope that my DU friends would engage in the critique as well instead of mindlessly supporting anyone with a D after their name. That is how the Republicans ended up with a non-Republican president.

Christian values are more in line with Democratic values anyway. We should not let Rep. take God from us. I am for Hillary/Mrs. Edwards 2008. Hillary hates Republican more than anybody else because she has been the victim of their dirty attacks for so long. Very brave of her to stay gracious.