Piggy Nooner Sticks Her Ghoulish, Unctious Snout Into Shiavo Debacle

Never let it be said that this amoral piece of human slime ever respected the human rights and simple dignity of those who're mere cannon fodder for her pretensions.

about life while it is still in the womb.

They profess to love god but they sure as hell don't want anybody to meet up with him.

Stories don't "break through." They are deliberately chosen by people and lately they are primarily chosen by rightwing people.

100,000 dead Iraqis, children burned and maimed suffering without modern medical care, 6 year old amputees without prosthetic limbs, babies dying without antibiotics or clean water from MR. BUSH's war, yet they claim they want to save Teri because they value life??
They value the symbol, instead of the reality. Being a RW'r is like a man who builds a house by the ocean but stares at a painting of the sea all day instead of ever going outside.
In other words, freakin' nutz. :crazy: :crazy:

they say they value life but they really have no idea what it means unless it is used in the context of political points

It's all well and good when they can stomp on gay people with jackboots, but let a husband have the temerity to represent a wife's wishes and he's a scoundrel - one worthy of targeting with the power of Congress itself.

I'd personally not want my spouse to keep me around like some potted plant ... and I'd sure as hell hope she found someone else to love her. This total bullshit that her husband, after fifteen fucking years being married to a potted plant, has to comply with some oppressive asshole's barstool pontification is nuts.

-- substance and style than anything Peggy Noonan has ever written.

Nice post.

Lord knows I need some ways to sublimate the disgust I have for these corrupt cretins.

-- got a hot hand.

Truly nice stuff.

the Repukes think..just to prove how impossible it is to "meet them halfway". It would mean putting on hip-boots, haz-mat suits, and gas masks to get thru the pile of excrement and gaseous slime that they exude.

Conception to birth...

Conviction to execution...

In between, death (and the loss of limbs-minds-immune systems) for giant corporations and military war lovers and torturers is just fine with them.

Anything else. like Terry, is politics. Carla Fay didn't count - life in jail wasn't tolerable in their politics and sense of justice.

Jumbled ethics, logic, knowledge, heart?

These neighbors morphed since I was a kid, I didn't morph. They went from fellow citizen neighbors to resentful, hate-filled, followers of reverends - Secretaries of War - right wing judges - hypocritical religious leaders in the form of a President and his admin-cabal.

... from the life, and the death, of the slaves on their plantation, they regard any other choice as 'theft' of their entitlement. These people are the epitome of humanity as a means rather than an end in itself. For them, the only "meaning of life" is profit.

Chimperor Codpiece profited (in a narcissistic supply sense) from the death of Carla Fay Tucker.

on Malignant Narcissism? I was married someone with Borderline Personality Disorder with overtones of Schizotypal Personality Disorder. And when doing the reasearch came upon Dr. Sam's site http://samvak.tripod.com/

That's where I learned about narcissistic supply and Dr. Sam theorizes that each type of personality disorder craves its own type of supply:HPD (Histrionic PD) – Sex, seduction, "conquests", flirtation, romance, body-building, demanding physical regime;
NPD (Narcissistic PD) – Adulation, admiration, attention, being feared; BPD (Borderline PD) – The presence of their mate or partner (they are terrified of abandonment); AsPD (Antisocial PD) – Money, power, control, fun)

I'm convinced that the *administration is full of PDs of various types and degrees. D '; )

I also tend to employ a musical-chair-triad model (melodrama) of Villain-Victim-Rescuer. (Remember, nobody admits to being the Villain - they always claim to be a Victim or a Rescuer.) Each role needs the other two. If either of the others quits, or tries to, the remaining two will find a replacement, no matter what. Roles are rotated at the drop of a hat - they're not type-cast. Nonetheless, our neuroses, psychoses and disorders sure affect the costumes we wear.

all about those previous state's right. Here they go again using the Federal government as a last resort and once again it is coming out of Florida. Need to steal an election - use the federal government and spank the state. Need to create a false moral issue - use the federal government - spank the state.

The Republicans win bigger on this one by losing. They know it too. In the next election cycle they'll run against the Democrats and liberal activist judges who "killed" Terry Schiavo. They'll say they fought the good fight for Terry, but sadly fell short. A martyr is much more valuable to their cause than a victory here. Many of them may sincerely want to prevail, but Noonan's assertion that they will pay a price is ridiculous. They know how to spin this and people who vote solely on so called pro-life issues aren't going to say "the Republicans are no different, I might as well vote Democratic." And the Democrats who voted strategically on this one with the pro-life crowd rather than voting their conscience should know that they will never win by trying to be as conservative as the Republicans. All they manage to do is look like they stand for nothing beyond whatever way the wind is blowing to people who don't vote solely on these kinds of issues.

this case is so sad. An incredibly difficult issue that should be personal and decided by families will be reduced to a black and white struggle pitting the Republicans against those who oppose "good Christian family values." And solutions will be proposed that reach even further into our privacy rights in order to advance Christian fundamentalist ethics. Today members of Congress with even less familiarity with the case than I have based solely on reading several articles about it on the internet this morning were playing doctor and debating whether or not to keep this woman on a feeding tube. some of them couldn't even pronounce her name right, and some even got the basic facts wrong about her condition. that's wrong. someone needs to tell these people that they aren't rulers, and they aren't modern incarnations of King Solomon, they're lawmakers. they get to make the laws, not arbitrarily decide what will happen in specific cases. her husband is following the law.

I feel for this woman, husband and her parents. either her husband has a pathological need for closure or to win this power struggle with her parents or he is certain that she would not want to be kept alive this way as he claims. independent experts confirm that there is no chance she will recover, and those who claim there is a chance have no scientific basis for their belief, so the question becomes: who can best represent her wishes on whether or not to be kept in a persistent vegetative state? logically, that would be her husband.

her husband claims she would not. he has no reason to lie. he could divorce her and let her parents keep her alive as long as they wanted to. he could have taken millions of dollars to give away his rights to make this choice to her parents, but he hasn't. all that leads me to believe that he is a person with integrity who knows what his wife would want and is determined to honor that.

I haven't seen anything from her parents that suggests that she would want to be kept alive other than the suggestion that it would be inconsistent with the tenets of her religion. even if you accept the standard that there should be a presumption in favor of keeping her alive absent knowledge of her wishes, that presumption has already been overcome. her husband can reliably claim that she would wish to not be kept alive in her condition based on his first-hand knowledge of her views on the issue. beyond that he kept her alive for years until he became convinced there was no hope for her to recover. her parents seem to be willing to throw up any explanation about her husband's motives, any medical opinion, no matter how bogus, and lobby for any law no matter how it affects others in difficult situations in order to get the outcome they want. I won't disparage them for loving their daughter or for having the will to do whatever they can to save her, but they are taking their devotion to their daughter too far. they need to let go. she is brain dead. the person who knew her most intimately, her husband, is convinced that this is not what she would want. it can't be easy to pull that tube and I feel sorry for them, but they need to let go.

at face value you look at pictures of her lying there appearing to smile at her mom and you think that she is a helpless person who should be cared for and kept alive. I can understand why her parents want to believe that. but she is really not conscious and it is not possible for her to be conscious ever again. it's an illusion of consciousness and it's an existence that her husband believes she would find undignified and not wish to be kept in artificially. she can never tell us what she wants. her husband's opinion of what she would want is the next best thing and he should get to decide, not her parents, not the Congress, and not the President.

Newsmax via Hannity ^ | Mar 18,2005 | Newsmax Staff


Posted on 03/18/2005 2:55:38 PM PST by spycatcher


A mentally disabled woman whose court ordered starvation-execution began Friday attempted to contradict her estranged husband's claim that she wants to die hours before her feeding tube was disconnected, an eyewitness is claiming.

Barbara Weller, an attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents, told reporters Friday afternoon that during her visit earlier in the day she told Ms. Schiavo:

"Terri, if you would just say, 'I want to live,' - all of this will be over."

According to pro-life activist Randall Terry, who recounted the scene to radio host Sean Hannity, Schiavo tried desperately to repeat Weller's words.

"'I waaaaannt . . .' Schiavo allegedly said, in a prolonged yell that had police stationed nearby running into her hospice room.

"She just started yelling, 'I waaaannt, I waaaannt,'" Terry said, according to Weller's account.

At that point police ejected Weller, he said.


This is a copy of a post on FR. I find the 2 witnesses to be
real credible folks . Is it just me, or is there always a bit of drama whenever this poor woman is observed? :shrug:

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

where's these peoples' outrage about that?

keyboard with that one. Amazing how Schiavo is a crusade to cover over the Chimp's failing poll numbers, Wall St. nosedive, Protests for Peace, and the Bankruptcy Bill and Anwar Drilling.

They always manage to find some person to abuse for their own purposes. Someone to make into a Freak as the "Side Show" entertainment in their Circus.

Peggy Noonan...:puke:

shrill, almost hysterical, 'earnestness' would be funny if it were not so pathetic.