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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 11:13 PM
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Is it America that they hate?
In no other country is the study of international relations as intensive. The process of decision-making is treated as a science and an art. Yet, few leaders are as ignorant of the world outside as the ones at the helm of affairs in the United States. That is true not only of President George W. Bush, but even of the academic Condoleezza Rice, his National Security Adviser. The mainstream media is craver. Academia tends to be conformist. The U.S. invaded two countries within a space of 18 months and ravaged them without any thought for the aftermath. Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq is any the more stable than before. Last May Thomas L. Friedmann of The New York Times noted with dismay, "After September 11, 2001, Americans wondered `Why do they hate us?', speaking of the Muslim world. After the Iraq war debate the question has grown into `Why does everybody else hate us?' In its glib superficiality, his explanation is typical of most commentators: "U.S. power, culture and economic ideas about how society should be organised became so dominant (a dominance magnified through globalisation) that America began to touch people's lives around the planet." ...

Factual errors are many. Bin Laden did not try "to overthrow the Saudi government". He sought to compel it to expel U.S. troops from its soil where they were planted wantonly for over a decade. The U.S. was not "dragged into crisis when Muslim Iraq attacked Muslim Iran". Saddam Hussein's crime had full American support. Hella Pick reported in The Guardian (September 12, 1990) that four days before President Saddam Hussein ordered the invasion of Kuwait, the U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie, assured him that "we have no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts like your border disagreement with Kuwait". He had no intention of attacking Saudi Arabia. Defence Secretary Dick Cheney whipped up Saudi fears to secure presence of U.S. troops on Saudi soil. Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait is portrayed as a step in "implementing" his strategy of forging "a joint Arab front" against the U.S. The editors gloss over the fact, bitterly recalled by many Pakistanis now, that the U.S. enthusiastically supported the jehadis when they fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. The most rabid of them Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was a favourite of the CIA....

Bribing Arab leaders was a vital part of American and British policy. "The Jewish Agency budgeted a million dollars for their own campaign of bribery... The Zionist Organisation and the British Government continued to bribe influential Arabs. President Roosevelt told Chaim Weizmann (on June 11, 1943) that, in his opinion, the Arabs could be bought; Weizmann responded that he had heard something to that effect. In the minutes of their conversation the Arabic word baksheesh appears. The Jewish Agency's biggest client seems to have been Prince Abdullah of Transjordan." A record puts the date of one contact with Abdallah's paymaster as November 17, 1947. (Tom Segev, One Palestine Complete, page 496). His son continued to receive the stipend. "Since the 1977 public disclosure that King Hussein of Jordan had been paid by CIA agent for twenty years, the agency had been reluctant to keep heads of state on the payroll," Bob Woodward reported in the context of the CIA's payments to the Phalangist militia leader in Lebanon, Bashir Gemayel (Veil, page 218). What clout could men like these command? ...

How wide off the mark are the Rubins and reporters like Thomas L. Friedmann becomes glaringly clear when results of a remarkable public opinion survey of more than 66,000 people in 50 countries were published in the International Herald Tribune of June 4, 2003. It was conducted by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, chaired by Madeleine Albright, former U.S Secretary of State. Negative opinions of the U.S. increased sharply in the Muslim world between Summer 2002 and May 2003. They rose in Jordan from 75 per cent to 99 per cent; in Palestinian Authority to 98; Indonesia from 36 to 83; Turkey, from 55 to 83; Pakistan, 69 to 81; Lebanon 59 to 71, and friendly Nigeria from 11 to 36. Even beyond the Muslim world, the U.S. is seen as favouring Israel over the Palestinians unfairly. Those sharing this attitude range from 99 per cent in Jordan to a surprising 47 per cent in Israel itself. Only in the U.S. does a plurality say that U.S. policies in West Asia are fair...

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Charlls Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 04:34 PM
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1. ah yes?


well, the amusing amount of replies doesnt ring a bell? maybe it means something...

at least it means that Americans have become too lazy to read beyond 10 words?
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:11 PM
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2. Wheee! a READER!

Careful, watch out for black helicopters....
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 09:42 PM
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3. errors/facts/and wishful thinking
Factual errors are many. Bin Laden did not try "to overthrow the Saudi government". He sought to compel it to expel U.S. troops from its soil where they were planted wantonly for over a decade.

We have had troops in Saudi since at least the 1960s, I know this for a fact.

Not denying it, it's a way of life throughout most of the world. Just where is your documentation of these charges?


I can't believe you lay the blame for US problems at the doorstep of Israel. How much power you give such a minute country.

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Charlls Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 06:35 AM
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4. i wonder ...
Edited on Wed Sep-17-03 06:36 AM by Charlls

from where you think the most stable influx for the campaign finances come from in the last 40 years?

btw, What you would think if vikings would come with the biggest army support and they reclaim their "old discovered lands", which would be all NorthAmerica over the Great Lakes and 50 miles to the south?. Maybe you would disagree, but they will take you and all your family out of your house and fire at your neighbours, and the only thing you can do is go away for not coming back, only bringing with you what you are wearing at the moment.

Doesnt sound fun at all, doesnt it?

Well, that was what happened when at the end of WWII, England and USA they alone dediced to 'put' the zionist country in that territory, that they 'already owned' (i mean England)

One of the most misleading myth propaganda that intentionally and consciously promote the Media is the idea that "jews and muslims have this conflict from more than a thousand years, we only came to help"

Before 1948, Jerusalem was already a city where jews and muslims cohabitated harmoniously. This is surely something kids won't learn in school. take that for granted.




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