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SensibleCenterist

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Fri Mar-25-05 08:22 PM
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Scientific American Gives Up!

In all the years I have been reading Scientific American I have never seen such a sarcastic and biting screed from their editors. They really sound fed up for all their deflecting with "April Fools."

It's short, so click and have a look. The full version is in the April issue that just came out.

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trotsky

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Fri Mar-25-05 08:25 PM
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1. Hehe, I started reading that issue when it arrived.

Well done, SciAm editors. Science definitely needs more in-your-face attitudes if we hope to compete with the religious wingnuts.

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Fri Mar-25-05 08:26 PM
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2. Makes me wanna run right out and buy a copy

thanks

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Dudley_DUright

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Fri Mar-25-05 09:16 PM
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7. Makes me want to resubscribe immediately

I have stacks of old Scientific American magazines in my office, but have not subscribe in recent years due to availability of most articles on the web. Time to support great science publishing again.

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Fri Mar-25-05 08:29 PM
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3. Very funny...

... especially the bit about being overwhelmed by all that science.

With any luck, next April Fool's Day, they'll publish some selected letters to the editor on the subject of creationism.... :)

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LynzM

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Fri Mar-25-05 08:29 PM
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4. LOL

Nice! I think I'll have to take a look at this one at the library or something!

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Kurovski

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Fri Mar-25-05 08:31 PM
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5. I'm going to check out the rest of it at the library!

Thanks for the heads-up.

Yet more evidence that most of America is fed up with all the crackpot crapola.

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Fri Mar-25-05 08:36 PM
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6. I should subscribe again, just to show some support!!! n/t

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Fri Mar-25-05 10:07 PM
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8. yeah I read that earlier this week

loved it.

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Robbien

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Fri Mar-25-05 10:10 PM
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9. The editorial could qualify as a great "the Onion" piece

but its true!

This paragraph is exactly what mainstream media is doing with all news:

Good journalism values balance above all else. We owe it to our readers to present everybody's ideas equally and not to ignore or discredit theories simply because they lack scientifically credible arguments or facts. Nor should we succumb to the easy mistake of thinking that scientists understand their fields better than, say, U.S. senators or best-selling novelists do. Indeed, if politicians or special-interest groups say things that seem untrue or misleading, our duty as journalists is to quote them without comment or contradiction. To do otherwise would be elitist and therefore wrong. In that spirit, we will end the practice of expressing our own views in this space: an editorial page is no place for opinions.

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Fri Mar-25-05 10:58 PM
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13. You got that right! n/t

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Blue Belle

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Sat Mar-26-05 04:09 PM
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28. I was thinking the same thing!

:think:

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Ladyhawk

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Fri Mar-25-05 10:24 PM
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10. Good stuff. Makes me want to subscribe. :D

-Ladyhawk, part of the reality-based community

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toemite

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Fri Mar-25-05 10:56 PM
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12. I just did!

Hurray for NOT giving up!

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newyawker99

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Sat Mar-26-05 11:57 AM
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20. Hi toemite!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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Hoping4Change

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Sun Mar-27-05 04:35 PM
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41. A big hello toemite. Welcome to DU.

Glad you're here.:hi:

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kineneb

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Fri Mar-25-05 10:42 PM
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11. I eagerly await our copy. n/t.

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Warren Stupidity

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Fri Mar-25-05 11:03 PM
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14. Its the 'endarkenment'. Even SA has given up. EOM

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Hoping4Change

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Sun Mar-27-05 04:36 PM
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42. "endarkament" LOLOLOLOL

:thumbsup:

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Hans Delbrook

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Fri Mar-25-05 11:33 PM
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15. Oh MY God - I can't wait to get this issue

:bounce: I'm going to cut that passage out and have it FRAMED!!! I am not kidding - it's going up in my office right next my "DNA: The Molecule of Life" graphic.

You rock SA - I love you more than ever! :yourock:

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Ellen Forradalom

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Sat Mar-26-05 01:14 AM
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16. Damn, that's savage!

Let 'em have it!

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NewHampshireDem

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Sat Mar-26-05 07:45 AM
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17. Here's a registration-free link with a longer excerpt ...

http://mrbobhatesyou.blogspot.com/2005_03_01_mrbobhatesyou_archive.html#111147519912475081

Here was my favorite part, with emphasis added:

Get ready for a new Scientific American. No more discussions of how science should inform policy. If the government commits blindly to building an anti-ICBM defense system that can't work as promised, that will waste tens of billions of taxpayers' dollars and imperil national security, you won't hear about it from us. If studies suggest that the administration's antipollution measures would actually increase the dangerous particulates that people breathe during the next two decades, that's not our concern. No more discussions of how policies affect science either--so what if the budget for the National Science Foundation is slashed? This magazine will be dedicated purely to science, fair and balanced science, and not just the science that scientists say is science. And it will start on April Fools' Day.

:evilgrin: Thank god someone still has 1. brains and 2. a sense of humor.

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ooglymoogly

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Sat Mar-26-05 12:19 PM
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21. great site

laughed through the whole page

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tommcintyre

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Sat Mar-26-05 07:47 PM
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31. "fair and balanced science"??? Why not?! News AND history been done

Just look how well "fair and balanced" news has worked out. If they can rewrite current events to their liking, why not science? Hey! why stop there? They oughta redo history too! Oh, I forgot. They already DO THAT. It's called standard American history books. If you want the REAL American history, read:

A People's History of the United States
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060528370/103-1493865-7039011?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Amazon.com
Consistently lauded for its lively, readable prose, this revised and updated edition of A People's History of the United States turns traditional textbook history on its head. Howard Zinn infuses the often-submerged voices of blacks, women, American Indians, war resisters, and poor laborers of all nationalities into this thorough narrative that spans American history from Christopher Columbus's arrival to an afterword on the Clinton presidency.

Addressing his trademark reversals of perspective, Zinn--a teacher, historian, and social activist for more than 20 years--explains, "My point is not that we must, in telling history, accuse, judge, condemn Columbus in absentia. It is too late for that; it would be a useless scholarly exercise in morality. But the easy acceptance of atrocities as a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress (Hiroshima and Vietnam, to save Western civilization; Kronstadt and Hungary, to save socialism; nuclear proliferation, to save us all)--that is still with us. One reason these atrocities are still with us is that we have learned to bury them in a mass of other facts, as radioactive wastes are buried in containers in the earth."

If your last experience of American history was brought to you by junior high school textbooks--or even if you're a specialist--get ready for the other side of stories you may not even have heard. With its vivid descriptions of rarely noted events, A People's History of the United States is required reading for anyone who wants to take a fresh look at the rich, rocky history of America.--This text refers to the Paperback edition.

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ClintonTyree

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Sat Mar-26-05 11:16 AM
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18. Well done!

A must read. I think it's high time they stopped trying to confuse people with facts. It's gone on far to long. This type of practice should have been thwarted long ago, long before Galileo started up with all of his "fantasies". If you give these people of "science" and inch, they'll take a light year.
Huzzah for Scientific American! Now excuse me, my boat's about to fall off the edge of the Earth and I have to turn around.

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The White Tree

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Sat Mar-26-05 11:26 AM
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19. That's awesome, I have to go buy that issue today.

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bloom

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Sat Mar-26-05 12:52 PM
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22. I love it... eom

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progressoid

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Sat Mar-26-05 01:28 PM
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23. Ooh, I just subscribed a couple weeks ago

I hope i get this one

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TankLV

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Sat Mar-26-05 01:58 PM
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24. It would be funny if it weren't closer to the truth.

This is just the next logical step under this bizarro world.

Even if it was meant as extremem irony, parody and sarcasm, it is too close to the coming reality, I fear.

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depakid

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Sat Mar-26-05 02:23 PM
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25. Just browsed through- and was disappointed

I can't find any April Fools articles! :silly:

I had hoped there would be at least one ridiculous (although serious sounding) piece. Some years back, I was snookered by an article by one Dr. Aprile Pazzo in Discover magazine about "hotheaded naked ice borers." I was so taken in that I called an acquaintance of mine at the California Department of Fish & Game- who let me rant on about this for several minutes before saying-

"You idiot."

LOL!

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/tall-tales/antarctic-ice.html

Seriously, though- I'm going to pass along this snarky editorial to a few people in my family who, unfortunately- will not appreciate it....

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Robbien

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Sat Mar-26-05 03:31 PM
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26. Those April Fool's type articles can be found at the NYT, WaPo

and Chicago Tribune all of whom promote them under the masquerade of real science articles.

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depakid

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Sat Mar-26-05 03:40 PM
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27. I read one of those around Christmas time

Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 03:45 PM by depakid

maybe they're still on the Roman calendar....

This particular Washington Post article was about mountain lions moving back east. It repeated so many utterly absurd statements and put forth such faulty analysis that I just had to laugh....

I couldn't figure out what the motivation for such an article could have been- I guess it could have been to lend credence to black helecopter types who believe that fish & game officials were reintroducing couger (they aren't) to shorten their hunting season (so they can make a play for their guns- not sure. :shrug:

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Maestro

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Sat Mar-26-05 06:18 PM
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29. Great!

I've visited that site off and on for the past year. Now they have a new subscriber.

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TahitiNut

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Sat Mar-26-05 06:44 PM
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30. Interesting comments on "too much and too little" blog ...

I give up too.
Kat | Homepage | 03.22.05 - 2:25 pm | #
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There are lots of stupid people living on this planet. Of which a large proportion of them are creationists. But that's why life is so interesting because of all this stupidity lying around. I love it.
Jiayi | 03.22.05 - 3:59 pm | #
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Does that mean you're looking forward to coming back to Singapore then, Jiayi?
wifflewiffle | 03.23.05 - 4:40 am | #
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That's a brilliant column; nice to see rationalists fighting back.
Brian Smith | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 2:27 pm | #
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Unfortunately, those at whom this editorial is aimed will not understand the subtleties of satire any more than they understand the basis of science. Good for the editors for exposing the "creationists" for the know-nothings that they are.
Professor Frink | 03.25.05 - 2:31 pm | #
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Hey Professor Frink,

Those at whom the editorial is aimed won't even see it let alone understand it! Remember, they have their blinders on all the time, except when they wear their tin foil hats instead!!
George T | 03.25.05 - 2:42 pm | #
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Oh man, this is just so hilarious.
Angry Pat | Homepage | 03.26.05 - 12:22 am | #
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The greatest writing I've read all week.

Science and rationalism really are under assault, by a well-funded movement of true believers and sharp operators who cynically exploit true believers for purposes of gaining and holding power.

I especially love his description of ID: "at unspecified times some unnamed superpowerful entity designed life, or maybe just some species, or maybe just some of the stuff in cells."

As somebody at Slate said, this is how Creationism dies: not with a bang, but with the whimper of ID.
Emphyrio | Homepage | 03.26.05 - 12:48 am | #
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Absolutely brilliant. Never mind it will never reach the throng of the dogmatic, vain and fearful; it is obviously intented to strengthen the resolve of those who, even in dark times for reason, seek the humble truth in the humble facts where she lies.
Fernando | 03.26.05 - 5:09 am | #
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Speaking of masturbation - the comments on this thread are a good example of it. Your hands must be sore.
JeffBlogworthy | Homepage | 03.26.05 - 10:28 am | #
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I know mine are.
Jennifer Jordan | Homepage | 03.26.05 - 1:45 pm | #
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I saw this on DU and mistakenly read the first half of it dead-pan.

You fuckers!

that's some juicy shit.
mikey | 03.26.05 - 3:33 pm | #
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"Speaking of masturbation..." ???

Hearing the voices of Sam in your head, again? After reviewing the comments, it appears the only phallic fixation seems to be yours.

Overcompensating again? Don't despair. Just because evolution has benefitted you less than most others doesn't mean it's not working. In the meantime, you can continue to rely on rubbing yourself against a dog's leg.
TahitiNut | Homepage | 03.26.05 - 6:38 pm | #

http://mrbobhatesyou.blogspot.com/2005_03_01_mrbobhatesyou_archive.html#111147519912475081

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tommcintyre

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Sat Mar-26-05 08:08 PM
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32. READ ARTICLE: President Bush Has "Faith" In Science

<I did a Google search for "Bush faith based science" and came up with this. (Shouldn't we have faith-based EVERYTHING? ;) )>

http://humorix.org/articles/2005/02/faith/
President Bush Has "Faith" In Science

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Calling the traditional scientific method "old-fashioned and inefficient", the Bush Administration today unveiled a "bold new platform" to move scientific exploration to a new frontier: Faith-Based Research.

At a White House press conference, Science adviser John Marburger offered reporters a sneak preview of the initiative, dubbed the "Science In the new Millenium Plan" (SIMP). He said, "America is ready for this new approach to understanding our world in the 21st Century."

"We've had great success in the medical field by clearly demonstrating the benefits of intercessory-prayer," he argued, referring to a NIH-funded Duke University study that showed the health benefits of praying for ailing friends and family. "Now is the time to translate this success into other areas of research."

When asked by a reporter how SIMP will work, Marburger explained, "The White House wants scientists to utilize 'Faith-Based Facts' in their work. The world's holy scriptures offer a rich source of FBFs that can only make our nation's research efforts much more efficient and results-oriented."
<more>

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etherealtruth

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Sun Mar-27-05 11:41 AM
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38. * and company's actions lead me to believe that this is true...

... not satire.

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tommcintyre

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Sat Mar-26-05 09:22 PM
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33. 5,000 scientists including 48 Nobel laureates assail “distortion of ...

Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 09:24 PM by tommcintyre

scientific knowledge for partisan political ends,”

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2004/10/20_science.shtml
Whether it’s panthers or pollution, faith-based science isn’t enough
Current federal science policy suggests that not all data are created equal

By Barry Bergman, Public Affairs | 20 October 2004

Michael Pollan got his first inkling that “something was afoot” several years ago when, in the course of reporting on the food industry, USDA staff scientists began telling him they could no longer talk to reporters without permission, returning his calls from pay phones or from home, and asking to go off the record to discuss such seemingly uncontroversial topics as bovine nutrition.

But it wasn’t until earlier this year, when 62 leading scientists publicly assailed what they called the Bush administration’s “distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends,” that Pollan sensed “the larger pattern that might be at work here.” The list of signatories to the scientists’ statement, first released in February, has since swelled to more than 5,000, including 48 Nobel laureates.

On Tuesday, Oct. 12, Pollan — now a Berkeley journalism professor and director of the Knight Program in Science and Environmental Journalism — gathered a panel of scientists on the stage of Wheeler Auditorium to, as he put it, “document from firsthand experience the suppression or distortion of science by the administration.”

The evening was titled “Bush Science.” But the weight of scientific opinion — from a pair of longtime government scientists with direct knowledge of the vagaries of federal science policy, and two others appearing as expert witnesses — strongly suggested that while the phrase may be amusing, it’s definitely no joke. Several panelists used the word “unprecedented” to describe what they called this administration’s excessive politicization of science.
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Beetwasher

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Mon Mar-28-05 10:16 AM
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51. n/t

Edited on Mon Mar-28-05 10:17 AM by Beetwasher

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RaleighNCDUer

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Sat Mar-26-05 09:49 PM
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34. Right now my only magazine subscriptions are to National

Geographic and Archeology.

Tomorrow I will subscribe to SA.

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scubadude

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Sat Mar-26-05 10:56 PM
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35. Does anyone remember the Gag order by Bush Sr.?

During the Gulf War Scientific American had a column where they complained bitterly about a gag order placed on the press relating to Gulf war. Specifically they had been reporting on the particulate emmisions and fallout caused by the oil fires. There was to be no reporting on that subject at all. Fortunately for the administration, Mt Pinatubo erupted thereby masking the particulate fallout from the oil well fires.

scuba

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Shadow-moses

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Sun Mar-27-05 08:02 AM
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36. Man, now i want a SciAm subscription more then ever!

lol, well i only have one word for that SA editorial:

Nice!

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slybacon9

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Sun Mar-27-05 09:27 AM
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37. Hooray for the Geeks!

now seriously... WHEN ARE WE GOING TO MARS?!!!

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Tesibria

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Sun Mar-27-05 01:20 PM
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39. oh man -- whatta tease - now I HAVE to subscibe!!! nt

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fortyfeetunder

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Sun Mar-27-05 02:22 PM
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40. That was a good way to take it head on

In the business world, scientific judgment is usually bullied by the bean counters, along with management and business types. Regardless of the obstacles, scientists have the faith they will prevail.

Good for SA for telling it like it is in such a light-hearted manner.

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Zenlitened

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Sun Mar-27-05 07:02 PM
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43. How sad is this? I actually FELL for it, for a few lines at least.

My issue arrived the other day, and I nearly burst out crying when I started reading this. Here in the year 2005-minus-1000-or-so, it seemed all too plausible!

Fortunately, I realized it was satire after reading just a bit further -- and recalling that this is the April issue. It's a "joke," but a deadly serious one, sadly. Hats off to SA, one of my very favorite publications. :)

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Solon

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Sun Mar-27-05 08:34 PM
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44. Loved it, funny as hell "Fair and Balanced Science"

sounds like a subtle swipe at a well known propoganda organization I know about.

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lollipop

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Sun Mar-27-05 10:20 PM
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45. I keep hoping that foibles of faith based science

will bring the Bush admin. down, but the number of believers keeps growing. Will sanity and reality ever creep back into the mind set of the religious right?

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obxhead

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Sun Mar-27-05 10:59 PM
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46. The 'religous right' has never nad any "sanity and reality"

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0007

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Mon Mar-28-05 08:40 AM
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47. Excellent rib!

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Danmel

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Mon Mar-28-05 08:48 AM
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48. The way things are going "Scientifc American" will be an Oxymoron

I'd be sad if I weren't furious!

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inchhigh

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Mon Mar-28-05 09:02 AM
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49. Topsy turvy world

I've always thought of Sci Am writers as scientists first and journalists second. It's funny that those priorities would actually end up making them better journalists.

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Julius Civitatus

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Mon Mar-28-05 09:52 AM
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50. Brilliant! Simply brilliant!

This article oozes sarcasm. It's awesome. I wonder how many of the wingie-dingies will take it for real; I'm sure the irony of it all will fly way over their heads.

Wouldn't it be amazing if scores of freepoids started to claim "victory" over evolution based on this April Fool's article? I would love to see that happening.

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Beetwasher

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Mon Mar-28-05 10:17 AM
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52. Ok, So How Long Before A Creationist Nut Reads This and Claims VICTORY????

Those nut jobs are not known for their sense of humor. I'd be willing to bet this will be thrown around by creationist nuts as proof they're right and that SA agrees!

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SensibleCenterist

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Mon Mar-28-05 12:03 PM
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53. Hey this topic made the top 10!

I feel so special. The forums are great but the Top 10 every Monday morning is what I give DU money for.

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Nothing Without Hope

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Mon Mar-28-05 02:20 PM
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54. This is great. Freedom of information takes on a special meaning

when it is applied to scientific reporting. Without truth, there IS no science. Searching for the truth and being willing to set aside preconceptions are at the very heart of the enterprise.

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Mon Mar-28-05 03:11 PM
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55. Almost as funny...

is the way a couple of scientists can kill a good joke. Read http://scoop.agonist.org/story/2005/3/25/91056/7337">the comments :D

:applause: SA

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johnnyrocket

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Mon Mar-28-05 03:55 PM
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56. That scary is that they're actually getting 'serious' calls to be...

balanced about the earth being 6000 year old and crap like that.

Someone needs to put a cap on these theocons before they get out of hand and start controlling congress and the president to do their bidding! ( Oh, never mind --- too late. )

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